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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6986592" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>When you're putting it like that, I got to ask myself</p><p></p><p>"What were the devs thinking??"</p><p></p><p>I mean, it's a fantasy game. Nobody said ranged needed to be balanced in the first place. I am quite okay with ranged falling behind melee even when all benefits of both options are taken into account. If ranged is "balanced" against melee at 80% damage, maybe ranged should make 60% damage. </p><p></p><p>To me, the difference between fantasy and modern is precisely that the melee weapon is the go-to option for a hero, unless there's an exception.</p><p></p><p>5E shouldn't get to change all this, at least not without having to be upfront about it. </p><p></p><p>As is is, we can make one out of two choices: </p><p></p><p>a) either assume 5E is designed that way on purpose, intentionally and deliberatedly. That is bad, since it means drawing away the rug from us without saying so. WotC is trying to eat the cake and having it too. They're trying to cater to the ranged-loving crowd without having to confess that they are drawing out the rug from the traditional melee-loving crowd.</p><p></p><p>b) or assume 5E just ended up that way coincidentally, by mistake. Each and every relaxation of ranged penalties were made in good-faith. Nobody looked at the greater picture, nobody realized the entire underpinning of the traditional D&D model relies on people actually seeting melee as superior to ranged.</p><p></p><p>I don't know which is worst.</p><p></p><p>Or rather, I do - I far prefer option b). I can live with WotC not doing enough QC. I can't live with WotC intentionally betraying their roots just to appease people that are annoyed at limitations for their Legolas hero, in the process turning D&D into something unrecognizable. </p><p></p><p>Option b) also lets me keep the hope that this discussion will lead to the entire community becoming enlightened and in the end, that WotC will impose whatever houserules we end up with as official errata. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6986592, member: 12731"] When you're putting it like that, I got to ask myself "What were the devs thinking??" I mean, it's a fantasy game. Nobody said ranged needed to be balanced in the first place. I am quite okay with ranged falling behind melee even when all benefits of both options are taken into account. If ranged is "balanced" against melee at 80% damage, maybe ranged should make 60% damage. To me, the difference between fantasy and modern is precisely that the melee weapon is the go-to option for a hero, unless there's an exception. 5E shouldn't get to change all this, at least not without having to be upfront about it. As is is, we can make one out of two choices: a) either assume 5E is designed that way on purpose, intentionally and deliberatedly. That is bad, since it means drawing away the rug from us without saying so. WotC is trying to eat the cake and having it too. They're trying to cater to the ranged-loving crowd without having to confess that they are drawing out the rug from the traditional melee-loving crowd. b) or assume 5E just ended up that way coincidentally, by mistake. Each and every relaxation of ranged penalties were made in good-faith. Nobody looked at the greater picture, nobody realized the entire underpinning of the traditional D&D model relies on people actually seeting melee as superior to ranged. I don't know which is worst. Or rather, I do - I far prefer option b). I can live with WotC not doing enough QC. I can't live with WotC intentionally betraying their roots just to appease people that are annoyed at limitations for their Legolas hero, in the process turning D&D into something unrecognizable. Option b) also lets me keep the hope that this discussion will lead to the entire community becoming enlightened and in the end, that WotC will impose whatever houserules we end up with as official errata. :) [/QUOTE]
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