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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9539552" data-attributes="member: 18">It's very funny that you're saying this to someone who has seen 40K "shift" several times, including into being actual Nazi-bait, which it was in the 4th through 6th era. Which was frankly a far worse shift than anything you're probably forseeing.It's like complaining to a completely bald guy that your hairline is receding very slightly and saying being bald is totally horrific and you never want it to happen to you. Like, yeah, okay, thanks mate.Also, assuming you started sometime in the 3rd to 7th era, you've seen it shift already - from the more humourless, narrower, and frankly more badly-written 3rd to 7th era, to the 8th onwards era, where humour was gradually reintroduced and the game got broader and more hopeful (hope was absolutely a thing in 2E, note, it was only the ill-advised decision to go "full grimdark" ("never go full grimdark") that took it away.That's what blew my mind. I'd been playing 40K for a decade by 1998, and doing ork/grot voices, making shuriken catapult noises, and so on the whole time - because who didn't? I loved the Squats because they were cool and fun, and I loved just how chaotic 2E was, and how insane the Imperium was and so on.Then 3E comes along and it's like "No we're all going to be serious now! Stop giggling in the back!!!" but like, 100% seriously, zero irony, and it was demented. Especially when they added space undead and BDSM elves as noted. I feel like if GW of that era thought they could have got away with deleting Orks, they'd 100% have done it, because they were inherently too silly for the new image the game wanted.And what killed me is it wasn't a one-off - they kept that tone up for well over a decade before the façade kind of began to collapse.Yeah it's funny to see 40K described as "consistent" when in fact there are so many elements of dissonance like this. Even aesthetically the level of gothic-ness and body-horror and so on varies wildly, and sometimes gets into the fundamentally silly. The reality is as they go truly mass-media it's going to crystalize down what the setting is in the minds a lot of people, including some existing players, and if it's some paean to the bloody awful Space Marines I'm going to be pretty sad.</blockquote>

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