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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasamcarl" data-source="post: 89978" data-attributes="member: 1251">perhaps butGiven that the epic level rules were meant to scale infinitly, it goes without saying that a character who has progressive ability, i.e. levels, is going to eventually surpass a god which is by neccessesity fixed in power ala Dieties and Demigods. 80th level you say? I have no problem with this. Besides, combat ability is not the sole definition of ecl...cr perhaps, but not ecl. I doubt a mortal 80th level character would have the ability to create 250,000 gp is items at will even per the epic rules. The Epic fighter might best if in that one respect, but is not nearly as flexible. A Qualititave difference, in this respect gods will always be superior.And the Avatar rules sound sound. They are simply the diety with all its 'mortal' class abilities, but with greatly reduced divine. How does that sound silly as it jives with the quantifiable, planer scale of divine power you have been advocating.</blockquote>