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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasamcarl" data-source="post: 91338" data-attributes="member: 1251">Upper Krust...You know the combat mechanics of the Avatar true, but just as you can't judge the effectivness of Summon Monster by the simple stats of the creature summoned (duration, casting time, limitation on where/when etc) you can't know how effective creating an Avatar is. In the former case, the spell isn't as effective as simply having such an ally permenantly with no cost would indicate. This holds true for the Avatar ability: THE ABILITY IS MORE THAN JUST THE STATS OF THE AVATAR!!! Do you understand?And when did your self-described 'Speculation' and 'Educated Guesses' become FACTS which i have chosen to disregard? Hermes can summon and infinite number of Avatars...yeah right....</blockquote>