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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasamcarl" data-source="post: 92606" data-attributes="member: 1251">One last time......Previous editions had very little balance if i recall. If you maintain your assumption that God-level play will be supported in this edition, then changes will have to be made to deal with a more rigorous game theory and thus maintain balance. To that creation of avatars might actually come at a 'cost' appropriate to its benefits. You yourself said that the Avatar ABILITY looks broken..then you turn on that position and say that any possible cost (some potential candidates of which i have layed out) would more or less 'shaft' this ability. Do you actually believe in a sound mechanical basis for dieties or do you not? You have committed both a slippery slope fallacy as well as a circular one (Is the Avatar ability broken? Yes, because Gods are meant to be balanced. I know Gods are meant to be balanced because they include an Avatar ability.) I am infact the optomist because i am not willing to jump to wild conclusions conscerning Wotc's incompetence through a specious analysis of a STAT BLOCK which by its nature does not include explanations of QUALATATIVE ABILITIES, because it, as the term 'stat' indicates includes mostly quantitative data. Can you look at a new skill in a characters skill list and just surmise the dcs and situations with which they are paired? Of course not. The same applies to feats(note the special paragraph under many in the phb). You might have a reasonable chance of coming to plausible explanations to those Salient Abilities which relate directly back to feats(especially if their effects are shown in the stat block itself), but you make automatic assumptions about the word 'Avatar' and its balance(assuming that is even an issue) by alluding to prior editions of dieties books (atleast 2e) which never intended balance. Contradiction after Contradiction.That said, i'm looking forward to analysing the balance of Dieties and Demigods myself. Who knows, you might be correct which would be dumb luck but....oh well. I would also like to take a gander at the Immortal's Handbook. Maybe in your rendition you take no risks in terminology so as everyone just assumes 'Balance'. I wonder what that magic word would be. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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