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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 7773061" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>I would argue that it is exactly the same.</p><p></p><p>Some pertinent rules from the PHB: </p><p></p><p>On page 203, it states: <em>"A spellcaster must have a hand free to access [material] components, but it can be the same hand that he or she uses to perform somatic components."</em> </p><p></p><p>Also, <em>"A character can use a component pouch or a spellcasting focus ... in place of the [material] components specified for a spell."</em></p><p></p><p>On page 151, it states: <em>"A cleric or paladin ... must hold [the holy symbol] in hand, wear it visibly, or bear it on a shield."</em></p><p></p><p>I would argue that, in the case of cleric and paladin spells that require both a material and somatic component, that the latter is the act of presenting the former, especially if you are using a holy symbol rather than whatever is specified in the spell description.</p><p></p><p>If you've got an amulet, you hold it in your hand. If you've got a shield with a holy symbol on it, you hold it so the holy symbol is facing whatever your target is. If you've got it as a reliquary strapped to your arm, you touch it or move your arm so the box is "pointing" in the desired direction.</p><p></p><p>I've even allowed players to have a holy symbol as a tattoo. In that case, they've needed to have a free hand to touch the tattoo.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I don't really see how having a holy symbol on an amulet is any different to having a holy symbol on a shield. If you have to have a hand free to grab your holy symbol amulet to use it as a focus, fine. If you've got the symbol on your shield, well, you're already holding it, so that makes things easier for you! Imagine if you had it on an amulet and you used a shield that *didn't* have the symbol on it. That could get awkward!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 7773061, member: 54629"] I would argue that it is exactly the same. Some pertinent rules from the PHB: On page 203, it states: [I]"A spellcaster must have a hand free to access [material] components, but it can be the same hand that he or she uses to perform somatic components."[/I] Also, [I]"A character can use a component pouch or a spellcasting focus ... in place of the [material] components specified for a spell."[/I] On page 151, it states: [I]"A cleric or paladin ... must hold [the holy symbol] in hand, wear it visibly, or bear it on a shield."[/I] I would argue that, in the case of cleric and paladin spells that require both a material and somatic component, that the latter is the act of presenting the former, especially if you are using a holy symbol rather than whatever is specified in the spell description. If you've got an amulet, you hold it in your hand. If you've got a shield with a holy symbol on it, you hold it so the holy symbol is facing whatever your target is. If you've got it as a reliquary strapped to your arm, you touch it or move your arm so the box is "pointing" in the desired direction. I've even allowed players to have a holy symbol as a tattoo. In that case, they've needed to have a free hand to touch the tattoo. Anyway, I don't really see how having a holy symbol on an amulet is any different to having a holy symbol on a shield. If you have to have a hand free to grab your holy symbol amulet to use it as a focus, fine. If you've got the symbol on your shield, well, you're already holding it, so that makes things easier for you! Imagine if you had it on an amulet and you used a shield that *didn't* have the symbol on it. That could get awkward! [/QUOTE]
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