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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7773069" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>My point was that your ability to play a fun non-optimized character is also evidence to any optimizers that might play with you that his playstyle is "right". </p><p></p><p>If you want to make the it's more fun claim and that's all that matters I can't refute that and I'm not trying to. However, if you want to claim that your particular character is evidence your playstyle is right then I'm going to keep on pointing out that it's only right when someone already approaches that evidence from your perspective. The moment that same evidence is approached from the optimizers perspective, he can also use it to support the notion that his playstyle is right.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, I think a more honest assessment of what you are doing isn't simply playing whatever strikes you as fun. I mean we all play what strikes us as fun, but your choices have a specific method involved in your fun. Your stated goal was to want to know what feats are least used so you can use them. That to me implies that your fun comes simply from running underutilized and unoptimized options. That's fun for you but it's not what I'd describe as just playing what's fun. You also have just as much a focus on optimization as DPR optimizers have, it's just the goal of that optimization is different. The goal of your optimization efforts are so that you end up with a totally unoptimized character.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fun for you is always right unless it overly impacts someone elses fun.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See there you go criticizing another playstyle...</p><p></p><p>You can talk about your method of having fun without downgrading others. I get that you feel liberated from a mindset that you feel previously shackled you but that doesn't mean others don't genuinely enjoy the playstyle that mindset brings and don't feel shackled by it because they find it fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7773069, member: 6795602"] My point was that your ability to play a fun non-optimized character is also evidence to any optimizers that might play with you that his playstyle is "right". If you want to make the it's more fun claim and that's all that matters I can't refute that and I'm not trying to. However, if you want to claim that your particular character is evidence your playstyle is right then I'm going to keep on pointing out that it's only right when someone already approaches that evidence from your perspective. The moment that same evidence is approached from the optimizers perspective, he can also use it to support the notion that his playstyle is right. Anyways, I think a more honest assessment of what you are doing isn't simply playing whatever strikes you as fun. I mean we all play what strikes us as fun, but your choices have a specific method involved in your fun. Your stated goal was to want to know what feats are least used so you can use them. That to me implies that your fun comes simply from running underutilized and unoptimized options. That's fun for you but it's not what I'd describe as just playing what's fun. You also have just as much a focus on optimization as DPR optimizers have, it's just the goal of that optimization is different. The goal of your optimization efforts are so that you end up with a totally unoptimized character. Fun for you is always right unless it overly impacts someone elses fun. See there you go criticizing another playstyle... You can talk about your method of having fun without downgrading others. I get that you feel liberated from a mindset that you feel previously shackled you but that doesn't mean others don't genuinely enjoy the playstyle that mindset brings and don't feel shackled by it because they find it fun. [/QUOTE]
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