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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 5968913" data-attributes="member: 50987">I don't think it was ever mandated in any rulebook; I think it just sort of evolved through the years.&nbsp; A while ago, a group of 1st level characters encountered an ogre in a cave.&nbsp; I had told them earlier that ogres were notoriously stupid, so I expected them to try to hoodwink the ogre into letting them pass.&nbsp; But no, they drew swords and attacked.&nbsp; The resulting battle killed two of the characters.&nbsp; Then the players got angry with me because I didn't give them a balanced encounter.&quot;We are only first level!&quot; they cried.&nbsp; &quot;Why are you making us fight ogres at first level?&quot;My response: a facepalm.I did not &quot;make&quot; them attack the ogre.&nbsp; To the contrary, I had given them more than enough hints about how to handle the situation.&nbsp; But as soon as they saw the ogre, everyone's eyes went to their character sheets and they started planning an ambush.&nbsp; I guess for some players, &quot;monster&quot; always means &quot;combat.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 5968913, member: 50987"] I don't think it was ever mandated in any rulebook; I think it just sort of evolved through the years. A while ago, a group of 1st level characters encountered an ogre in a cave. I had told them earlier that ogres were notoriously stupid, so I expected them to try to hoodwink the ogre into letting them pass. But no, they drew swords and attacked. The resulting battle killed two of the characters. Then the players got angry with me because I didn't give them a balanced encounter. "We are only first level!" they cried. "Why are you making us fight ogres at first level?" My response: a facepalm. I did not "make" them attack the ogre. To the contrary, I had given them more than enough hints about how to handle the situation. But as soon as they saw the ogre, everyone's eyes went to their character sheets and they started planning an ambush. I guess for some players, "monster" always means "combat." [/QUOTE]

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