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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5969991" data-attributes="member: 9037">But we are not talking other mechanical systems we are talking DnD.&nbsp; Look I can understand really liking a system and not liking one or two aspects of it and wanting to find a fix for those issues. But the more I read in these threads the more I feel that some people just don't like DnD and want it to change almost into another game. DnD is not just a fantasy game it is DnD there are plenty of other systems that can do fantasy.I played 4E for six months and no matter what class I played I was bored out of my mind and the dM who ran it is a fantastic DM. The game ran like a chess game with all the different rules for this maneuver and that maneuver. This was the first time I had really encountered the 15 minute adventuring day because of losing resources as opposed to being out of hit points an healing. I dislike healing surges because again they scream video game where you go and click on an item for more life. DnD needs to make up its mind just what hit points are. I know they are supposed to be more than just taking hits they also represent endurance and dodging. But what confuses me is that you can only use them by being hit.&nbsp; Of all the groups I know that started 4E when it came out no one is still playing it some went to Pathfinder others to Savage Worlds a lot of the complaint was it always seem to play the same they felt it was to rigid.I think options are a great thing which is one reason I liked 3E so much because of the OGL I could find options for classes, magic, feats, skills you name it to drop in my game for whatever kind of campaign I am looking for.&nbsp;&nbsp; Video game feel to me is when you have rules that scream this is here because of a balance issue and screams game as opposed to making rules that try emulate real life. The point of a video game is winning above all else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 5969991, member: 9037"] But we are not talking other mechanical systems we are talking DnD. Look I can understand really liking a system and not liking one or two aspects of it and wanting to find a fix for those issues. But the more I read in these threads the more I feel that some people just don't like DnD and want it to change almost into another game. DnD is not just a fantasy game it is DnD there are plenty of other systems that can do fantasy. I played 4E for six months and no matter what class I played I was bored out of my mind and the dM who ran it is a fantastic DM. The game ran like a chess game with all the different rules for this maneuver and that maneuver. This was the first time I had really encountered the 15 minute adventuring day because of losing resources as opposed to being out of hit points an healing. I dislike healing surges because again they scream video game where you go and click on an item for more life. DnD needs to make up its mind just what hit points are. I know they are supposed to be more than just taking hits they also represent endurance and dodging. But what confuses me is that you can only use them by being hit. Of all the groups I know that started 4E when it came out no one is still playing it some went to Pathfinder others to Savage Worlds a lot of the complaint was it always seem to play the same they felt it was to rigid. I think options are a great thing which is one reason I liked 3E so much because of the OGL I could find options for classes, magic, feats, skills you name it to drop in my game for whatever kind of campaign I am looking for. Video game feel to me is when you have rules that scream this is here because of a balance issue and screams game as opposed to making rules that try emulate real life. The point of a video game is winning above all else. [/QUOTE]

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