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<blockquote data-quote="Omand" data-source="post: 8614537" data-attributes="member: 14344"><p>OK, about the Darkmantle ...</p><p></p><p>So, my memory was sort of playing tricks on me.</p><p></p><p>The Darkmantle first appeared in the 3E Monster Manual. The creature was native to caverns and the Underdark, and the lore included the line that "Scholars believe that the darkmantle recently evolved from a less capable predator." The text also had the Darkmantle disguising itself like a stalactite.</p><p></p><p>In the 3.5 revision a bit more text was added about the appearance and size of the darkmantle, but it was basically copied over with no changes, unlike some other creatures.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can find, the Piercer did not appear in official WotC 3E or 3.5</p><p></p><p>Reading between the lines I think the suggestion by the 3E team is the the silly Piercer (one of Gary's gotcha/joke monsters) was redesigned into a more cool opponent.</p><p></p><p>The Darkmantle returned in 4E (MM2) as a creature from the Shadowfell. No language about how it evolved or if it is descended from another creature.</p><p></p><p>In 5E the Darkmantle is back to being from the Underdark.</p><p></p><p>It is the 5E Monster Manual that upgrades lore for the Piercer and Roper. The Piercer is now the larval form of a Roper. Once a Piercer eats and grows enough, it permanently descends from the ceiling and lives on the floor instead.</p><p></p><p>So my bad for linking them all together, they are not explicitly so in 5E.</p><p></p><p>Here endeth the lesson and we now return you to your regular thread.</p><p></p><p>Cheers <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Omand, post: 8614537, member: 14344"] OK, about the Darkmantle ... So, my memory was sort of playing tricks on me. The Darkmantle first appeared in the 3E Monster Manual. The creature was native to caverns and the Underdark, and the lore included the line that "Scholars believe that the darkmantle recently evolved from a less capable predator." The text also had the Darkmantle disguising itself like a stalactite. In the 3.5 revision a bit more text was added about the appearance and size of the darkmantle, but it was basically copied over with no changes, unlike some other creatures. As far as I can find, the Piercer did not appear in official WotC 3E or 3.5 Reading between the lines I think the suggestion by the 3E team is the the silly Piercer (one of Gary's gotcha/joke monsters) was redesigned into a more cool opponent. The Darkmantle returned in 4E (MM2) as a creature from the Shadowfell. No language about how it evolved or if it is descended from another creature. In 5E the Darkmantle is back to being from the Underdark. It is the 5E Monster Manual that upgrades lore for the Piercer and Roper. The Piercer is now the larval form of a Roper. Once a Piercer eats and grows enough, it permanently descends from the ceiling and lives on the floor instead. So my bad for linking them all together, they are not explicitly so in 5E. Here endeth the lesson and we now return you to your regular thread. Cheers :) [/QUOTE]
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