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<blockquote data-quote="Jens" data-source="post: 76493" data-attributes="member: 605">Comparing Fire Dart to Lesser Fire Orb, only noting differences:Range: Medium (instead of Short)Target: One Creature (instead of up to 5 creatures/objects... Shouldn't you also allow an object to be targeted?)Saving throw: None (instead of Fortitude half)I think the shorter range/one target only will sort of cancel out. It depends on the situation, but in general I think they are about equal.Total damage1 - 1d4 vs. 1d8 (Avg&nbsp; 2.5 vs 4.5)2 - 2d4 vs. 1d8 (Avg&nbsp; 5.0 vs 4.5)3 - 3d4 vs. 2d8 (Avg&nbsp; 7.5 vs 9.0)4 - 4d4 vs. 2d8 (Avg&nbsp; 10.0 vs 9.0)5 - 5d4 vs. 3d8 (Avg&nbsp; 12.5 vs 13.5)6 - 5d4 vs. 3d8 (Avg&nbsp; 12.5 vs 13.5)7 - 5d4 vs. 4d8 (Avg&nbsp; 12.5 vs 18.0)8 - 5d4 vs. 4d8 (Avg&nbsp; 12.5 vs 18.0)9 - 5d4 vs. 5d8 (Avg&nbsp; 12.5 vs 22.5)... it seems reasonable,&nbsp; maybe a bit weak at 1st and levels above 6th, but not allowing a save makes up for it, I guess.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jens, post: 76493, member: 605"] Comparing Fire Dart to Lesser Fire Orb, only noting differences: Range: Medium (instead of Short) Target: One Creature (instead of up to 5 creatures/objects... Shouldn't you also allow an object to be targeted?) Saving throw: None (instead of Fortitude half) I think the shorter range/one target only will sort of cancel out. It depends on the situation, but in general I think they are about equal. Total damage 1 - 1d4 vs. 1d8 (Avg 2.5 vs 4.5) 2 - 2d4 vs. 1d8 (Avg 5.0 vs 4.5) 3 - 3d4 vs. 2d8 (Avg 7.5 vs 9.0) 4 - 4d4 vs. 2d8 (Avg 10.0 vs 9.0) 5 - 5d4 vs. 3d8 (Avg 12.5 vs 13.5) 6 - 5d4 vs. 3d8 (Avg 12.5 vs 13.5) 7 - 5d4 vs. 4d8 (Avg 12.5 vs 18.0) 8 - 5d4 vs. 4d8 (Avg 12.5 vs 18.0) 9 - 5d4 vs. 5d8 (Avg 12.5 vs 22.5) ... it seems reasonable, maybe a bit weak at 1st and levels above 6th, but not allowing a save makes up for it, I guess. [/QUOTE]

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