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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 8180321" data-attributes="member: 18182">You misunderstand the argument if you think folks are equating gully dwarves with African-Americans, or other black people across the world.In Dragonlance, and D&D, and in the fantasy genre at large . . . . the way we think and talk about race is the same thought processes used in racist thinking in the real world. Despite the fact that gully dwarves aren't real.If I told you that African-Americans were inherently violent, savage, and dim-witted . . . . that'd be pretty racist. But we describe orcs that way. Orcs aren't real, but the thought process is. If I told you that African-Americans were inherently superior athletes . . . that's a positive stereotype (kinda), but really just the flip-side of the above and just as racist. If I told you that African-American characters in my D&D game get a -2 to Wisdom and a +2 to Strength . . . that's pretty racist.Now . . . that doesn't mean that the many authors and designers over the years are white supremacists, or that the gaming community, including you and I, are racist. What we're talking about is institutional racism. It's subtle, hard to notice unless pointed out (or you suffer directly from it), and . . . . white folks often push back against the idea because they haven't suffered from it and don't like to think of their favorite activities as racist.If you don't believe me . . . oh well, you're on the wrong side of history, and the game is changing whether you accept the necessity of the change or not.EDIT: Sorry, I was typing this up as Morrus posted above in moderator red. I'm done.</blockquote>

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