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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rossbert" data-source="post: 7743510" data-attributes="member: 6922357">That can be valid, but then the Abyss needs to be pulled out of the multiverse, and should have any spot on the great wheel.  Uncomprehendable horrors from beyond our existence are hardly from beyond our existence if they are a quick jaunt from a big city, and no farther than the realms of faeries, angels and astral ninjas.  But They don't seem to be functioning outside our existence, they warp reality and are scary, but that can describe dragons, fey lords, archdevils, deities and basically anything that makes it to Legendary status.  But then you'd need something new to fill the spot between Slaad and Devils.If anything my dissapointment is that the Far Realm doesn't do enough, but then I suppose we don't get many Far Realm creatures per se, I mostly just remember the 3e snippet about being utterly inconsequential in the Far Realm because even if you could hold any sanity, you don't exist in enough dimensions to interact meaningfully with it, much like an immobile stick figure really doesn't have much impact on a three dimensional being who experiences time. But you can't really quantify unimaginables can you?</blockquote>