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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7809482" data-attributes="member: 4348">Do you want to go to the museum???They have pictures of some of them, some they do not.UNLIKE YOURS they tend to be actually FROM the time period.  If you actually studied them you would note that the handles are normally FAR too short for two hands.Many are specific to the museum and they do not put pictures up of all the weapons.I could post links to replicas...for example...here's a replica of King Richard's sword...<a href="https://www.museumreplicas.com/lionheart-sword-of-king-richard" target="_blank">Replica Richard the Lionheart's sword</a>for non-replicas....here's another time period appropriate one<a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=36133&partId=1" target="_blank">British Museum 13th century sword</a>These are typical examples of swords of the time.  NOTE...you are NOT going to get two hands on that, unless your hands are smaller than small.That's because they are meant to be wielded with a shield.  This nonsense of these swords being mostly having two handed grips is something that came out of...I don't know to be honest...some sort of modern fantasy or something???The problem is that D&D wasn't historically accurate.  The longsword as per D&D would have typically been what you called the arming sword, or sometimes they had it as a broadsword type as well.   Obviously an Arming sword was FAR DIFFERENT than a short sword, and in many cases was just as long as what some see a longsword as being in D&D (because in AD&D that's what was integrated into it ironically, accurate or not).This was differentiated from the two grip longswords (which is a particular category, rather than ALL longswords) which AD&D (and BECMI) called the Bastard Sword.However, not all of these "longswords" are the two grip type or "Bastard Sword" (who gave it that name anyways...interesting story).You also have larger swords. However, the D&D names for swords did not necessarily align with the historical idea of swords. Many of the swords are actually broken down into even smaller categories of the type of swords...not merely shortsword, longsword, bastard sword, greatsword...but a LOT of different categories.So, labeling all longswords as having two handed grips...yeah...not really going to agree with that one.You are going with D&D isms...and if you are going with D&D isms than the longsword is typically identified with the one handed grip types, while the Bastard Sword is the two handed grip longsword.IN 5e it's even more nebulous with ANY sword that isn't a shorter type classified as a Longsword...unless it's a rapier...which....ironically is another interesting side topic where such a differentiation probably shouldn't be as noted between the two as there were larger differences between what is called a longsword in 5e and many of it's subtypes and the rapier and longsword.You are wanting to classify the classic longswords that are made for two handed grips from the Renaissance (in which case you would probably want to start talking about longswords and Rapiers and the rest as well, which have a GREAT DEAL of overlap), rather than the longsword that was traditionally used (some call them arming swords, but the length of many of these "arming swords" were actually longer than some of the longswords made with grips for two hands) because they were ALSO longswords of the time.The term LONGSWORD is an interesting term in and of itself, but historically has meant something different than how it has been utilized in gaming terms...and is far broader and yet less broad than used in games as well.Modernly, some of that gaming terminology have bled over to modern sword making and replicas, but that doesn't mean that we should try to distinguish the weapons in terms of gaming.</blockquote>

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