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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7809613" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p><strong>To reiterate again:</strong> <strong>The swords in the picture earlier in the thread are not generic D&D longswords.</strong>. They are longswords in the historical sense, which are a specific type of sword almost exclusively used in two hands, and with a grip specifically designed for that.</p><p>Showing me pictures of arming swords is not going to change what a historical longsword is. Talking about average swords or swords in general isn't going to change the fact that what is depicted in that picture looks like a couple of two-handed swords with the blade and grip length commensurate with two-handed swords.</p><p>I mean just look. - Do you <strong><em>really </em></strong>think they look like the same length and proportions as the swords that you linked to?</p><p></p><p>As I pointed out in my first post, arming swords like the ones you link to would be placed in the "longsword" category of the 5e weapons table, because they are one-handed swords that were occasionally used in two hands. The 5e longsword category covers those, all the way up to something close to an <em>actual </em>longsword.</p><p></p><p> Yes. This is pretty close to what I have been saying in my first post in the thread, and posts since.</p><p></p><p> Historical longswords do have two-handed grips: - it is generally part of the definition of that specific type of sword. </p><p>D&D longswords are a much broader category covering many types, most of which have one-handed or at least not full twohanded grips.</p><p></p><p> Nope. At the time, arming swords and the like would have just been called "swords". The concept of the longsword as a one-handed sword is mostly a D&Dism. </p><p></p><p> I think that I have been pretty careful to distinguish when I am talking about the historical longsword or the D&D definition. Is there anywhere in my posts where I haven't made it sufficiently clear?</p><p> In order to risk hitting someone in a 5ft square next to you, you would have to bring your weapon offline from your opponent at a significant <em>horizontal </em>angle. Unless you're using a shield, you really don't tend to do that when engaged with an opponent because its a recipe for getting yocked. In a line fight you tend to stick with vertical swings specifically because you don't want to tangle weapons with your allies or with an opponent other than the one you're trying to hit. Even with a shield, a horizontal backswing that endangers your allies would be considered pretty wild specifically because it does endanger your ally.</p><p>Likewise any kind of followthrough that leaves you with your weapon significantly horizontally offline or risks hitting your allies is excessive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7809613, member: 6802951"] [B]To reiterate again:[/B] [B]The swords in the picture earlier in the thread are not generic D&D longswords.[/B]. They are longswords in the historical sense, which are a specific type of sword almost exclusively used in two hands, and with a grip specifically designed for that. Showing me pictures of arming swords is not going to change what a historical longsword is. Talking about average swords or swords in general isn't going to change the fact that what is depicted in that picture looks like a couple of two-handed swords with the blade and grip length commensurate with two-handed swords. I mean just look. - Do you [B][I]really [/I][/B]think they look like the same length and proportions as the swords that you linked to? As I pointed out in my first post, arming swords like the ones you link to would be placed in the "longsword" category of the 5e weapons table, because they are one-handed swords that were occasionally used in two hands. The 5e longsword category covers those, all the way up to something close to an [I]actual [/I]longsword. Yes. This is pretty close to what I have been saying in my first post in the thread, and posts since. Historical longswords do have two-handed grips: - it is generally part of the definition of that specific type of sword. D&D longswords are a much broader category covering many types, most of which have one-handed or at least not full twohanded grips. Nope. At the time, arming swords and the like would have just been called "swords". The concept of the longsword as a one-handed sword is mostly a D&Dism. I think that I have been pretty careful to distinguish when I am talking about the historical longsword or the D&D definition. Is there anywhere in my posts where I haven't made it sufficiently clear? In order to risk hitting someone in a 5ft square next to you, you would have to bring your weapon offline from your opponent at a significant [I]horizontal [/I]angle. Unless you're using a shield, you really don't tend to do that when engaged with an opponent because its a recipe for getting yocked. In a line fight you tend to stick with vertical swings specifically because you don't want to tangle weapons with your allies or with an opponent other than the one you're trying to hit. Even with a shield, a horizontal backswing that endangers your allies would be considered pretty wild specifically because it does endanger your ally. Likewise any kind of followthrough that leaves you with your weapon significantly horizontally offline or risks hitting your allies is excessive. [/QUOTE]
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