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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7967344" data-attributes="member: 83242">It is definitely up for debate.&nbsp; Personally when we played back in the 80s we played 1e AD&amp;D and D&amp;D and didn't realize they were two different games!&nbsp; So I get that, I was just playing devil's advocate and point out there are other ways to look at it. I still contend that even with the BECMI and 3e books, past 20th level or &quot;epic&quot; play was never truly supported.&nbsp; They provided products for it in some cases, but not real support.&nbsp; For example they only ever produced 2 Immortal level adventures that I know of and there was not really enough immortal level foes in the Immortal DM's Guide (or ever) to run an Immortal campaign.&nbsp; I didn't play 3e, but I don't think they provided any additional products beside Deities &amp; Demigods and the Epic level handbook.&nbsp; 3e suffered from the same lack of adventure direction and foes that BECMI did.&nbsp; Finally, 4e (which I don't believe was truly &quot;epic&quot; as I stated) didn't provide many epic-tier adventures and they never released the DMG 3 which was supposed to give epic-tier guidance.But we all have different ideas of support, and that is OK.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7967344, member: 83242"] It is definitely up for debate. Personally when we played back in the 80s we played 1e AD&D and D&D and didn't realize they were two different games! So I get that, I was just playing devil's advocate and point out there are other ways to look at it. I still contend that even with the BECMI and 3e books, past 20th level or "epic" play was never truly supported. They provided products for it in some cases, but not real support. For example they only ever produced 2 Immortal level adventures that I know of and there was not really enough immortal level foes in the Immortal DM's Guide (or ever) to run an Immortal campaign. I didn't play 3e, but I don't think they provided any additional products beside Deities & Demigods and the Epic level handbook. 3e suffered from the same lack of adventure direction and foes that BECMI did. Finally, 4e (which I don't believe was truly "epic" as I stated) didn't provide many epic-tier adventures and they never released the DMG 3 which was supposed to give epic-tier guidance. But we all have different ideas of support, and that is OK. [/QUOTE]

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