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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7968706" data-attributes="member: 16814">Um, the most recent does not.&nbsp; We have psionics, because it's a psionic sub-class, but it doesn't dispense with VSM.&nbsp; I get that you argue that it's just spells and not psionic powers, but there are no psionic powers, so that's as useful as saying it's not the Titanic.&nbsp; We do have Mind Flayers that can innately cast spells without VSM, but, again, those are spells, not powers, so it would seem that you can have it one way or the other.This is begging the question.&nbsp; You've defined psionics as not needed VSM, so therefore if it has VSM it's not psionics.&nbsp; What does no VSM get you to, other than a circular defintion or tradition?&nbsp; IE, do you actually have more that just wanting it that way to support the need to never, ever have VSM if it's psionics in D&amp;D?&nbsp; It's cool if it's just a thing for you -- no sweat.&nbsp; But, to convince others, you can't just keep screaming that it has to be this one way because reasons.Sorry, but what makes for good psionics?&nbsp; I've read books that have components to psionics.&nbsp; Why does psionics need to be undetectable when used?&nbsp; Even that's not part of the tradition in D&amp;D, as there were manifestations of the power when used.&nbsp; What's the difference?Right, so we're back to an odd hill.&nbsp; Why die on it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7968706, member: 16814"] Um, the most recent does not. We have psionics, because it's a psionic sub-class, but it doesn't dispense with VSM. I get that you argue that it's just spells and not psionic powers, but there are no psionic powers, so that's as useful as saying it's not the Titanic. We do have Mind Flayers that can innately cast spells without VSM, but, again, those are spells, not powers, so it would seem that you can have it one way or the other. This is begging the question. You've defined psionics as not needed VSM, so therefore if it has VSM it's not psionics. What does no VSM get you to, other than a circular defintion or tradition? IE, do you actually have more that just wanting it that way to support the need to never, ever have VSM if it's psionics in D&D? It's cool if it's just a thing for you -- no sweat. But, to convince others, you can't just keep screaming that it has to be this one way because reasons. Sorry, but what makes for good psionics? I've read books that have components to psionics. Why does psionics need to be undetectable when used? Even that's not part of the tradition in D&D, as there were manifestations of the power when used. What's the difference? Right, so we're back to an odd hill. Why die on it? [/QUOTE]

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