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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7969388" data-attributes="member: 16814">Individual monster stat blocks do not establish general rules.&nbsp; Your argument via Mind Flayer is a non-starter.I had forgotten that instead of an appeal to tradition that you were using the mind flayer example to argue a fallacy of composition.&nbsp; Forgive me, as I had forgotten your Mind Flayer defines all psionics argument, and thus misrepresented you as caring about tradition.Mea culpa.Don't slide the goalposts, Max.&nbsp; You said no one.&nbsp; I did say that it wasn't you, but it's also not no one.&nbsp; Now that we're agreed it's someone, we can discuss if it's important.&nbsp; I don't think it's a terribly outlier position.You know, thinking more on this, this is still a naked power increase.&nbsp; I can stop V components by gagging or using silence.&nbsp; I can stop M components by removing a component pouch or preventing access to a focus.&nbsp; I can prevent S components by binding.&nbsp; How do I prevent visual, auditory, and scent cues?&nbsp; These are not a flavor replacement for VSM, they're just flavor.&nbsp; Unless, of course, I can prevent powers with an olfactory displays with windy conditions or lots of coffee, visual displays with darkness or excess clothing, and auditory displays with silence or a tuning fork (actually, that's a neat idea)?&nbsp; I don't think this is your intent, so the displays are really just cues that a power was used, and not requirement to use the power.&nbsp; A naked, bound, blindfolded, gagged psionist in a silence spell and darkness spell is just as capable (absent targeting requirements) as a non-constrained psionist.&nbsp; This is definitely power creep.[/I]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7969388, member: 16814"] Individual monster stat blocks do not establish general rules. Your argument via Mind Flayer is a non-starter. I had forgotten that instead of an appeal to tradition that you were using the mind flayer example to argue a fallacy of composition. Forgive me, as I had forgotten your Mind Flayer defines all psionics argument, and thus misrepresented you as caring about tradition. Mea culpa. Don't slide the goalposts, Max. You said no one. I did say that it wasn't you, but it's also not no one. Now that we're agreed it's someone, we can discuss if it's important. I don't think it's a terribly outlier position. You know, thinking more on this, this is still a naked power increase. I can stop V components by gagging or using [I]silence[/i]. I can stop M components by removing a component pouch or preventing access to a focus. I can prevent S components by binding. How do I prevent visual, auditory, and scent cues? These are not a flavor replacement for VSM, they're just flavor. Unless, of course, I can prevent powers with an olfactory displays with windy conditions or lots of coffee, visual displays with darkness or excess clothing, and auditory displays with silence or a tuning fork (actually, that's a neat idea)? I don't think this is your intent, so the displays are really just cues that a power was used, and not requirement to use the power. A naked, bound, blindfolded, gagged psionist in a silence spell and darkness spell is just as capable (absent targeting requirements) as a non-constrained psionist. This is definitely power creep.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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