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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7969611" data-attributes="member: 16814">Honestly, I think a class that has the versatility and power of a full spell caster but using unique mechanics is highly unlikely to the point of not being a terribly useful topic of discussion outside pure speculation or 3PP/fan creation.A psionic class with some unique abilities, but leveraging the spell system seems more likely, but that also looks like the previous attempts at Mystic, which looks to be dead on the vine due to not enough people agreeing what it should be.  Psionics really seems to be a case of very specific and intractable preferences that are strongly defended but not well explained.  The VSM discussion is an good example:  VSM exists as a limiter on spells, but there's strong opposition, if not coordinated in opinion, to including it as a limiter on psionics.  Not because such things aren't without precedent in the inspiring literature or films, but because... I really don't know why.  It's how it used to be really seems the core of that argument. The bottom line is that the most likely "caster" version of a psion that might one day exist is a spell caster, using the spell system, with a psionics flair.  Which leads to this instant discussion about VSM.  Insisting that VSM be stripped for psionics to work is an interesting argument on it's own, but isn't going to happen in 5e because that alone instantly makes the psion a stronger caster than other classes.  Keeping VSM, but changing it's flavor, that works.  But you have to keep all of the bits involved in VSM, which isn't just counterspell -- it's the other ways that a caster may be prevented from casting spells.  Or, you need to add a resource cost to be able to ignore VSM, in part or in whole, like the current UA does.  Neatly, that's tacked onto the sorcerer, who already has a way to do this, so it's not a change to the capabilities of the class.</blockquote>

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