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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 5638023" data-attributes="member: 20323">[MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION]Great examples! I recall the inheritance & raise dead issue you raise from a past post you made. Here's a question: how do your clerics justify the existence of raise dead given the inversion if the natural order that it is seen as? Why have deities allowed this ritual? Couldn't they just "not answer the call"? And in your world are there legitimate times raise dead could be used?Beliefs can and often do influence actions. The Heresy of St. Ilia believes the Raise Dead ritual doesn't serve the people and so takes action to oppose the practice of that ritual. They pay merchants to take required components off their shelves or otherwie make those specific components scarce. They organize anti-raise rallies, particularly against deceased known for abusin their power. Their extremists might even steal or irreversibly destroy corpses slated for raising.And they have fair points to their argument (see the OP). Why wouldn't their god take these belief-inspired actions into account in their final judgment?Take the infallibility of the Pope. IMC the nearest equivalent would be the 4e irreversible investiture of divine power into a cleric. The Heresy of St. Ilia questions the validity of this integral practice and may oppose it even with violence in rare cases. So you're saying the deity won't get involved because this is an issue of dogmata. Therefore the deity's effective position is "you're both right"? You're right that the power to cast clerical spells should be irrevocable, and you're right that there should be limits on how much a cleric can get away with before their spellcasting is interrupted.</blockquote>

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