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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 2289838" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>First, I didn't say dispersed - I said <em>"dispersed and hiding"</em>. </p><p></p><p>You can't ride him down if you can't find him. (Cav also does not work very well against a dug in foe either. See "Whoever saw a dead cavalrymen?" et al from the American Civil War.)</p><p></p><p>So no - your cavalry and your massed infantry is NOT going to overwhelm a dispersed and hidden enemy. The problem is that your dispersed and hidden enemy is going to be ineffective at projecting any power on the battlefield unless:</p><p></p><p>1 - they have a capability which includes an accurate ranged weapon; and,</p><p>2- they have a capability which includes a portable weapon capable of dealing multiple deaths at range against concentrated foes ; and </p><p>3 - you have a means to control these dispersed troops effectively.</p><p></p><p>When you have those three things, you have the basis for modern squad tactics. </p><p></p><p>A fireball, a crossbow and a magical means of communication gives you those three things. With them - your massed infantry and massed horse is going to be so many corpses on the battlefield <em>in the long run</em>. When you concentrate to project your power - you are going to be outmaneuevered and hammered. When you bunch up - they hit you hard; When you advance they melt away, hitting back more effectively at your dense troops then your troops can hit at their disperesed and concealed forces. </p><p></p><p>Because a fireball changes everything.</p><p></p><p>The reason why that happens in a fantasy battle is the same reason we don't use massed formations now in modern warfare. </p><p></p><p>How much magic is involved on the battlefield? That's the question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 2289838, member: 20741"] First, I didn't say dispersed - I said [I]"dispersed and hiding"[/I]. You can't ride him down if you can't find him. (Cav also does not work very well against a dug in foe either. See "Whoever saw a dead cavalrymen?" et al from the American Civil War.) So no - your cavalry and your massed infantry is NOT going to overwhelm a dispersed and hidden enemy. The problem is that your dispersed and hidden enemy is going to be ineffective at projecting any power on the battlefield unless: 1 - they have a capability which includes an accurate ranged weapon; and, 2- they have a capability which includes a portable weapon capable of dealing multiple deaths at range against concentrated foes ; and 3 - you have a means to control these dispersed troops effectively. When you have those three things, you have the basis for modern squad tactics. A fireball, a crossbow and a magical means of communication gives you those three things. With them - your massed infantry and massed horse is going to be so many corpses on the battlefield [i]in the long run[/i]. When you concentrate to project your power - you are going to be outmaneuevered and hammered. When you bunch up - they hit you hard; When you advance they melt away, hitting back more effectively at your dense troops then your troops can hit at their disperesed and concealed forces. Because a fireball changes everything. The reason why that happens in a fantasy battle is the same reason we don't use massed formations now in modern warfare. How much magic is involved on the battlefield? That's the question. [/QUOTE]
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