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<blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 9712235" data-attributes="member: 52734"><p>I know the '91 D&D starter did (I mistakenly called it the '99 set earlier), it was a big theme for it (and Dragon's Den, Goblin Lair, Haunted Tower & the Thunder Rift adventures). Not too long ago, I pulled out the 2E starter set and it had poster-sized battlemaps and standees for all the adventures. My 3.5E starter sets are in storage (except the Blue Dragon one), but I seem to recall that was during the Dungeon Tiles era and I think that all the adventures in those boxed sets used them for the adventures within, and I think there were pogs for the monsters that didn't have actual miniatures. Can't remember for 4E as I ditched that set, but I think I'm sure it had pogs and I think all the locations had battlemaps. So, WotC/TSR since late 2E era was doing its best to have game mats and some sort of minis in it for its starter line and farther along ensuring it covered all the pre-made content - looking back, it's unusual that the 2014 5E set didn't include that as distancing itself from 4E's mini/battlemat centric "focus" (I guess that sort of stuff was moved to the later Essentials?).</p><p></p><p>(not directed at you, but more general)</p><p></p><p>Beyond that, there's been quite a few adventure modules that battlemats, standees and the like that go back to 2E, if not further - a lot of it being in the "Basic" D&D line. While those might not have covered everything, they certainly were "board game" elements that took the game beyond Theater of the Mind. That's not even including the likes of Battlesystem, the miniature wargame that went back to the wargaming roots of D&D and certainly was played with minis and the like.</p><p></p><p>As an aside, a list of what "board game" elements I could find across old products</p><p>[spoiler]</p><p><strong>2E</strong></p><p>Castles Boxed Set - paper fold-up models of 3 castles (for Battlesystem), battlemats, standees</p><p>2E Complete AD&D Starter set - battlemats for all adventures, standees</p><p>Dragon Mountain - couple of battlemats, standees</p><p>City of Mystery - battlemats & fold-up models</p><p>G1 - Strongholds - paper fold-up models from Castles, City of Mystery, & the Falcon module series</p><p>G2 - Dungeons of Mystery - battlemats, paper fold-up models for dungeons</p><p></p><p><strong>3E</strong></p><p>D&D Starter Set - monster pogs</p><p>D&D Starter Set (w/ black dragon) - battlemats? & minis & monster pogs?</p><p>D&D Starter Set (w/ blue dragon) - dungeon tiles & minis & monster pogs</p><p>Fantastic Locations: Dragondown Grotto - battlemats</p><p>Fantastic Locations: Fane of the Drow - battlemats</p><p>Fantastic Locations: Fields of Ruin - battlemats</p><p>Fantastic Locations: Hellspike Prison - battlemats</p><p>Fantastic Locations: The Frostfell Rift - battlemats</p><p>Various Dungeon Tile supplements</p><p></p><p><strong>Greyhawk</strong></p><p>WGA1 - Falcon's Revenge - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis)</p><p>WGA2 - Falconmaster - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis)</p><p>WGA3 - Flames of the Falcon - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis)</p><p></p><p><strong>Forgotten Realms</strong></p><p>City of Splendors - battlemat (Adventurer's Quarter) and paper fold-up models (for use with minis)</p><p></p><p><strong>Basic D&D</strong></p><p>91' D&D Challenger Set - battlemats for all adventures ("Zanzer's Dungeon"), standees)</p><p>Classic D&D Boxed set (1994) - same content as above, just reboxed and edited</p><p>Mystra First Quest - battlemats and standees</p><p>Dragon's Den - battlemats and standees</p><p>Goblin's Lair - battlemats and standees</p><p>The Haunted Tower - battlemats and standees</p><p>Hail the Heroes - room "handouts" for use with minis</p><p>AC3 - Kidnapping of Princess Arelina - battlemats and standees</p><p>AC8 - Revenge of Ruak - battlemats and standees</p><p>O1- The Gem and the Staff - battlemats and standees</p><p>Knight of Newts - battlemat and standees</p><p>Quest for the Silver Sword - battlemat and standees</p><p>Rage of the Rakasta - battlemat and standees</p><p>Sword and Shield - battlemat and standees</p><p>Assault on Raven's Ruin - battlemat and standees</p><p>In the Phantom's Wake - battlemat and standees</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Other</strong></p><p>DL08 - Dragons of War - battlemat (Tower of the High Clerist) & counters (Battlesystem)</p><p>DL11 - Dragons of Glory - War of the Lance wargame/board game</p><p>DL12 - Dragons of Faith - counters (Battlesystem)</p><p>DL14 - Dragons of Triumph - rosters for Battlesystem</p><p>X10 - Red Arrow, Black Shield - mat & counters for wargame/board game</p><p>Cardmaster - cards depicting rooms on them for random dungeon creation & minigame[/spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stormonu, post: 9712235, member: 52734"] I know the '91 D&D starter did (I mistakenly called it the '99 set earlier), it was a big theme for it (and Dragon's Den, Goblin Lair, Haunted Tower & the Thunder Rift adventures). Not too long ago, I pulled out the 2E starter set and it had poster-sized battlemaps and standees for all the adventures. My 3.5E starter sets are in storage (except the Blue Dragon one), but I seem to recall that was during the Dungeon Tiles era and I think that all the adventures in those boxed sets used them for the adventures within, and I think there were pogs for the monsters that didn't have actual miniatures. Can't remember for 4E as I ditched that set, but I think I'm sure it had pogs and I think all the locations had battlemaps. So, WotC/TSR since late 2E era was doing its best to have game mats and some sort of minis in it for its starter line and farther along ensuring it covered all the pre-made content - looking back, it's unusual that the 2014 5E set didn't include that as distancing itself from 4E's mini/battlemat centric "focus" (I guess that sort of stuff was moved to the later Essentials?). (not directed at you, but more general) Beyond that, there's been quite a few adventure modules that battlemats, standees and the like that go back to 2E, if not further - a lot of it being in the "Basic" D&D line. While those might not have covered everything, they certainly were "board game" elements that took the game beyond Theater of the Mind. That's not even including the likes of Battlesystem, the miniature wargame that went back to the wargaming roots of D&D and certainly was played with minis and the like. As an aside, a list of what "board game" elements I could find across old products [spoiler] [B]2E[/B] Castles Boxed Set - paper fold-up models of 3 castles (for Battlesystem), battlemats, standees 2E Complete AD&D Starter set - battlemats for all adventures, standees Dragon Mountain - couple of battlemats, standees City of Mystery - battlemats & fold-up models G1 - Strongholds - paper fold-up models from Castles, City of Mystery, & the Falcon module series G2 - Dungeons of Mystery - battlemats, paper fold-up models for dungeons [B]3E[/B] D&D Starter Set - monster pogs D&D Starter Set (w/ black dragon) - battlemats? & minis & monster pogs? D&D Starter Set (w/ blue dragon) - dungeon tiles & minis & monster pogs Fantastic Locations: Dragondown Grotto - battlemats Fantastic Locations: Fane of the Drow - battlemats Fantastic Locations: Fields of Ruin - battlemats Fantastic Locations: Hellspike Prison - battlemats Fantastic Locations: The Frostfell Rift - battlemats Various Dungeon Tile supplements [B]Greyhawk[/B] WGA1 - Falcon's Revenge - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis) WGA2 - Falconmaster - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis) WGA3 - Flames of the Falcon - battlemats and paper fold-up models (for use with minis) [B]Forgotten Realms[/B] City of Splendors - battlemat (Adventurer's Quarter) and paper fold-up models (for use with minis) [B]Basic D&D[/B] 91' D&D Challenger Set - battlemats for all adventures ("Zanzer's Dungeon"), standees) Classic D&D Boxed set (1994) - same content as above, just reboxed and edited Mystra First Quest - battlemats and standees Dragon's Den - battlemats and standees Goblin's Lair - battlemats and standees The Haunted Tower - battlemats and standees Hail the Heroes - room "handouts" for use with minis AC3 - Kidnapping of Princess Arelina - battlemats and standees AC8 - Revenge of Ruak - battlemats and standees O1- The Gem and the Staff - battlemats and standees Knight of Newts - battlemat and standees Quest for the Silver Sword - battlemat and standees Rage of the Rakasta - battlemat and standees Sword and Shield - battlemat and standees Assault on Raven's Ruin - battlemat and standees In the Phantom's Wake - battlemat and standees [B]Other[/B] DL08 - Dragons of War - battlemat (Tower of the High Clerist) & counters (Battlesystem) DL11 - Dragons of Glory - War of the Lance wargame/board game DL12 - Dragons of Faith - counters (Battlesystem) DL14 - Dragons of Triumph - rosters for Battlesystem X10 - Red Arrow, Black Shield - mat & counters for wargame/board game Cardmaster - cards depicting rooms on them for random dungeon creation & minigame[/spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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