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<blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 5575600" data-attributes="member: 7220"><p>See, that's the funny part. Although you're mostly correct (those who are character builder reliant are somewhat invalidated by some of the changes), you're mostly wrong IMO about the rest. The contradictory answers from WotC people, sometimes even the same person (This is the way going forward vs It's only a starter set) make the answer of whether any original O4E content is ever coming out again far from clear.</p><p></p><p>Heroes of Shadow IS 100% an Essentials book. It just doesn't have the name on the title. Yeah, you can use some races, feats, even powers here and there, but all the class content is Essentials. Just like the core Essentials books.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The main reason why the new books get to me so much is that it by definition is content that would have been in O4E had Essentials not come along. We haven't had an O4E book in about a year. If they even wanted to put both in the same book... fine, knock yourselves out. I'll use the version I like. But we might have had a cool update to the Assassin, a Vampire class, and a Blackguard Paladin build to play with had WotC not inexplicably decided to fracture their fanbase. </p><p></p><p>I bought every damn one of the O4E books, and loved doing it. The new book announcements get me excited, only to find out that there's not much content that is going to be usable for me. It brings me high and then yanks me down low. Worse for WotC, I'm not going to pay the full price of a book for a few feats and maybe a Paragon Path. I'll either get it from the Character Builder or disallow it from my game.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I wasn't thinking, should have merged those two posts together. Sorry about that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Terramotus, post: 5575600, member: 7220"] See, that's the funny part. Although you're mostly correct (those who are character builder reliant are somewhat invalidated by some of the changes), you're mostly wrong IMO about the rest. The contradictory answers from WotC people, sometimes even the same person (This is the way going forward vs It's only a starter set) make the answer of whether any original O4E content is ever coming out again far from clear. Heroes of Shadow IS 100% an Essentials book. It just doesn't have the name on the title. Yeah, you can use some races, feats, even powers here and there, but all the class content is Essentials. Just like the core Essentials books. The main reason why the new books get to me so much is that it by definition is content that would have been in O4E had Essentials not come along. We haven't had an O4E book in about a year. If they even wanted to put both in the same book... fine, knock yourselves out. I'll use the version I like. But we might have had a cool update to the Assassin, a Vampire class, and a Blackguard Paladin build to play with had WotC not inexplicably decided to fracture their fanbase. I bought every damn one of the O4E books, and loved doing it. The new book announcements get me excited, only to find out that there's not much content that is going to be usable for me. It brings me high and then yanks me down low. Worse for WotC, I'm not going to pay the full price of a book for a few feats and maybe a Paragon Path. I'll either get it from the Character Builder or disallow it from my game. EDIT: I wasn't thinking, should have merged those two posts together. Sorry about that. [/QUOTE]
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