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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5576482" data-attributes="member: 78116">You mean like mages, wizards and two (actually I think there are three Fey related) warlocks? On this point, you are just arguing with absolutely nothing and won't convince me of anything here (unless we have very different ideas of what "Design space" means).Design space wise, classes that need support need it because of problems with how they work out. Only new powers and elements that boost the problematic areas solve those. They as a result have a huge amount of it. Wizards are a mechanically great class that has plenty of build options and doesn't need more support. We have two (maybe three) Fey-pact warlocks already, one in the original PHB (that has plenty of support) and a fey-pact Hexblade*. Both of them play very well actually (I am fond of hexblades myself).Thank you for the insult to my intelligence, I actually do and personally the failure here on Wizards part is planning. It's pretty clear to me that since essentials there is no coherent leadership or direction at wizards anymore. Considering they cancelled a bunch of books, butchered the cleric with possibly the first near universally rejected errata I've ever seen since 4Es inception - especially without fixing anything that should have (standard action utility healing powers for example) and the sheer mess that is the item rarity system all indicate the planning just isn't there anymore.In fact I cannot believe we have the same company that made the incredibly awesome Dark Sun last year, go sliding downhill like this less than a year later. It reeks of poor planning and not having any idea what to do beyond essentials and how to go about it. Want to say otherwise? Then explain the item rarity system to me and how immensely badly that has been implemented. That's a prime example of what I'm talking about in terms of leadership in the new direction and planning.Moving aside from that and returning to your original point, would you care to tell me what areas of the Wizard/Warlock are mechanically deficient and need further support? Mechanically. Not fluff or flavor. Mechanically. Because I am not seeing it. Wizards are the best designed controller in 4E and by far and away the strongest. Warlocks have billions of options, especially if the errata doesn't butcher them to Binder levels and gives them a needed damage boost to curse damage (all they need!). I could see an argument for more cleric options, in the strength cleric that is (but not the Warpriest/Wisdom cleric).I mean you are saying "I can't see how X would fit into this book" and all I'm going to respond to you is "Boo hoo, they should have picked something that would actually let them support things as they wished". I'm not sympathetic whatsoever - if planning was better we'd have books that could give wide support to what needs it. Not being hemmed into "How many mage builds can we make because we painted ourselves into a corner?"*I can swear there is a second one that is fey flavored as well hiding out somewhere.Edit: I am correct. This is the Feypact Hexblade and there is the White Well Hexblade in Dragon 393 (which is another Feywild based Hexblade).</blockquote>

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