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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7184667" data-attributes="member: 23716">I agree that Character Classes in D&amp;D are Fantasy Archetypes, not professions or jobs, and that there needs to be more to them than mechanical combinations.&nbsp; However, I would also posit that &quot;the hero that poisons part of himself for a greater good&quot; is a rather narrow archetype for the fantasy genre.&nbsp; I mean, just from that brief description you could delve into literary and religious iconography (Christ-like figure and such), but I don't know if that is what Matt Mercer is going for and is beyond what I want to delve into.&nbsp; I would also suggest that &quot;the quiet self-sufficient capable type&quot; is more of a literary character (as in personality, not class) archetype, rather than the more generic and fantasy themed archetypes character classes need to be.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is not really anything fantasy about that.&nbsp; Sure, individual characters can bring the nuance of traits, bonds, likes and dislikes, but I like classes to be a bit more general than that.&nbsp; Thus, &quot;Knight in shinning armor&quot; is a generally recognized, if not generally liked, archetype.&nbsp; Scholarly sage that uses his knowledge to cast spells and magical effects is another.&nbsp; One who deals with dark, mysterious, amoral, or generally other,&nbsp;&nbsp; is an archetype.&nbsp; So for me, there needs to be some type of mechanical hint or suggestion present in the archetype as well, though it could be vague.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7184667, member: 23716"] I agree that Character Classes in D&D are Fantasy Archetypes, not professions or jobs, and that there needs to be more to them than mechanical combinations. However, I would also posit that "the hero that poisons part of himself for a greater good" is a rather narrow archetype for the fantasy genre. I mean, just from that brief description you could delve into literary and religious iconography (Christ-like figure and such), but I don't know if that is what Matt Mercer is going for and is beyond what I want to delve into. I would also suggest that "the quiet self-sufficient capable type" is more of a literary character (as in personality, not class) archetype, rather than the more generic and fantasy themed archetypes character classes need to be. There is not really anything fantasy about that. Sure, individual characters can bring the nuance of traits, bonds, likes and dislikes, but I like classes to be a bit more general than that. Thus, "Knight in shinning armor" is a generally recognized, if not generally liked, archetype. Scholarly sage that uses his knowledge to cast spells and magical effects is another. One who deals with dark, mysterious, amoral, or generally [I]other, [/I]is an archetype. So for me, there needs to be some type of mechanical hint or suggestion present in the archetype as well, though it could be vague. [/QUOTE]

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