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<blockquote data-quote="Miladoon" data-source="post: 7184970" data-attributes="member: 6801438">And then there is multi classing. Nuff said. IMO WoTC archetypes were all tied up by those those damned dirty apes (legacy players) and their big nets (survey results) that captured the day. The designers came up with some interesting ideas in this Class/Subclass format but eventually never fully exploited it. If you are going to make a class, at least have six subclasses for every class. And let everyone start their subclass at level one. This seems so disjointed to me. A PHB class with two subclasses appears to be stroking the fan base and simultaneously telling me that this class needs to be a subclass itself. Hey it has two subclasses now so the class is validated? One thing I like about the Mystic is that they didn't add it as a Psion subclass of Wizard. It also has six subclasses. I also like that it is a UA offering. You know if you print that out and add it to the basic pdf. you can run an interesting, entirely free game of D&amp;D?As far as design goes, with the exception of hiding, I think everything outside of Chapter 3 of the PHB has been on the mark. 5E allows the opportunity to flesh out entire 'new' classes. Make em up. Cop a feel from a Paizo. Download from DMsG or DriveThru, or refluff. If that is how you eyeball your character concept and it does not break the game, go for it. If I was looking for a specific archetype that is where I would surf.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Miladoon, post: 7184970, member: 6801438"] And then there is multi classing. Nuff said. IMO WoTC archetypes were all tied up by those those damned dirty apes (legacy players) and their big nets (survey results) that captured the day. The designers came up with some interesting ideas in this Class/Subclass format but eventually never fully exploited it. If you are going to make a class, at least have six subclasses for every class. And let everyone start their subclass at level one. This seems so disjointed to me. A PHB class with two subclasses appears to be stroking the fan base and simultaneously telling me that this class needs to be a subclass itself. Hey it has two subclasses now so the class is validated? One thing I like about the Mystic is that they didn't add it as a Psion subclass of Wizard. It also has six subclasses. I also like that it is a UA offering. You know if you print that out and add it to the basic pdf. you can run an interesting, entirely free game of D&D? As far as design goes, with the exception of hiding, I think everything outside of Chapter 3 of the PHB has been on the mark. 5E allows the opportunity to flesh out entire 'new' classes. Make em up. Cop a feel from a Paizo. Download from DMsG or DriveThru, or refluff. If that is how you eyeball your character concept and it does not break the game, go for it. If I was looking for a specific archetype that is where I would surf. [/QUOTE]

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