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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7191997" data-attributes="member: 996">Again, not what we're doing.&nbsp; 'Shaman' is a real thing outside of D&amp;D, it's a term used in anthropology to embrace a wide range of tribal religious practices, and has an common-usage English-language meaning. It is an archetype.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;There are examples of characters in fiction that could be seen as representative of the archetype.&nbsp; They're more often helpers/facilitators to the hero, rather than the hero, himself, but in folklore, the hero of a story may well be a shaman, in that he is using those practices to interact with an unseen 'spirit' world.(This conversation is making me realize that maybe the D&amp;D sorcerer being 'wrong' isn't such a bad thing.&nbsp; Oh, and tangent:&nbsp; I was watching the new MST3k, and at the beginning of &quot;Wizards of the Lost Kingdom&quot; the narrator mentions &quot;sorcery &amp; magic&quot; as if they were two different things, a bot asks about the difference and the Joel stand-in replies &quot;Sorcery is an inborn power, magic comes from books&quot; - the difference between sorcerers and wizards in D&amp;D, which was hilarious, of course.&nbsp; But is wrong as far as the RL meanings of the words go.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7191997, member: 996"] Again, not what we're doing. 'Shaman' is a real thing outside of D&D, it's a term used in anthropology to embrace a wide range of tribal religious practices, and has an common-usage English-language meaning. It is an archetype. There are examples of characters in fiction that could be seen as representative of the archetype. They're more often helpers/facilitators to the hero, rather than the hero, himself, but in folklore, the hero of a story may well be a shaman, in that he is using those practices to interact with an unseen 'spirit' world. (This conversation is making me realize that maybe the D&D sorcerer being 'wrong' isn't such a bad thing. Oh, and tangent: I was watching the new MST3k, and at the beginning of "Wizards of the Lost Kingdom" the narrator mentions "sorcery & magic" as if they were two different things, a bot asks about the difference and the Joel stand-in replies "Sorcery is an inborn power, magic comes from books" - the difference between sorcerers and wizards in D&D, which was hilarious, of course. But is wrong as far as the RL meanings of the words go.) [/QUOTE]

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