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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5490631" data-attributes="member: 2011">Nova damage makes no difference to your claim that "many strikers in 4E games, at launch, were dealing double the damage of non-strikers, and dealing damage comparable with Essentials strikers". If you include nova damage, you must also consider DPR instead of just "what happens if an attack is successful". You cannot consider one without the other, or you are skewing your data.And double damage by 4E Strikers might be true of implement Leaders targeting single foes, but it is not true of Controllers or any role targeting multiple foes, nor is it true of most Defenders targeting single foes. 2D12+D6 (if both hit) or 1d6+2D8+4 (if CA achieved) is not twice as great as 1D8+5 or 1D10+4.Yes, it is true for a critical, but not for an average successful attack.Nor is 2D12+D6 (if both hit) or 1d6+2D8+4 (if CA achieved) comparable to 1d6+2D8+6 (almost all of the time). It's less both straight up, and because the special conditions that must be met of 4E are more restrictive then those of Essentials. The Essentials Striker that is doing more damage almost every single round is doing more overall damage than the 4E Striker that is more often missing.Sorry, but your claim doesn't match even simple analysis. Anecdotal evidence and stories are merely that: anecdotal. I have a ton of anecdotal stories of the Thief in our group dropping an undamaged foe in round one at low level. It happened at least a dozen times in the first 3 levels. When it happens, that's just as effective as a Nova power against that foe. It doesn't mean that this example is anything other than anecdotal. One needs to look at the math to see the real variances.</blockquote>

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