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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5492013" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>Er... I think you've misread completely what I'm saying, sorry. Partially because the discussion has probably wandered in some directions, but let me try and make it clearer.</p><p> </p><p>Your claim was that Essentials strikers can deal double the damage of non-strikers, and this represented power creep. </p><p> </p><p>My claim is that this is <em>no more true </em>now than it was when the PHB came out. </p><p> </p><p>Which is to say - some strikers in the PHB could deal double the damage of non-strikers. Other strikers couldn't. Various non-strikers could optimize as well, and if not match the striker damage, they would not be doubled by it. </p><p> </p><p>Same thing now. The thief, yes, deals a lot of damage - just like the rogue did. Others, though, are not as far ahead. And you can build non-Strikers who get up there. </p><p> </p><p>You can't claim that Essentials strikers do double the damage of non-strikers just because one build (the Thief) can do so, while dismissing the fact that the same is true for one class in the PHB (the Rogue). You can't dismiss the rogue's damage as not being double that of optimized non-strikers while ignoring that the same is true for the Thief. </p><p> </p><p>And, as with most of these discussions, all of this keeps taking place in the context of 1st level. The stakes change significantly as character level starts to go up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5492013, member: 61155"] Er... I think you've misread completely what I'm saying, sorry. Partially because the discussion has probably wandered in some directions, but let me try and make it clearer. Your claim was that Essentials strikers can deal double the damage of non-strikers, and this represented power creep. My claim is that this is [I]no more true [/I]now than it was when the PHB came out. Which is to say - some strikers in the PHB could deal double the damage of non-strikers. Other strikers couldn't. Various non-strikers could optimize as well, and if not match the striker damage, they would not be doubled by it. Same thing now. The thief, yes, deals a lot of damage - just like the rogue did. Others, though, are not as far ahead. And you can build non-Strikers who get up there. You can't claim that Essentials strikers do double the damage of non-strikers just because one build (the Thief) can do so, while dismissing the fact that the same is true for one class in the PHB (the Rogue). You can't dismiss the rogue's damage as not being double that of optimized non-strikers while ignoring that the same is true for the Thief. And, as with most of these discussions, all of this keeps taking place in the context of 1st level. The stakes change significantly as character level starts to go up. [/QUOTE]
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