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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5494577" data-attributes="member: 2011">This is invalid as well. There is a general rule stating that the definition of a move is that the creature leaves a square, so claiming that the designers would write it down every time they meant it is in error.Not one person has quoted a general rule that states that 0 move is valid when a power indicates a move.There is a general rule for that for Forced Movement, but not for anything else.The FAQ quote is about &quot;powers with allowed movement&quot; (e.g. powers with phrases like &quot;can move&quot; in them), not &quot;powers that state that the PC actually moves&quot;.As an example, Footwork Lure:If this read:then the PC would be required to shift.Footwork Lure allows the PC to shift which is a choice. It also does Forced movement on the target, so that is a choice as well.But just because this power works this way does not mean that the Thieve's tricks work that way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5494577, member: 2011"] This is invalid as well. There is a general rule stating that the definition of a move is that the creature leaves a square, so claiming that the designers would write it down every time they meant it is in error. Not one person has quoted a general rule that states that 0 move is valid when a power indicates a move. There is a general rule for that for Forced Movement, but not for anything else. The FAQ quote is about "powers with allowed movement" (e.g. powers with phrases like "can move" in them), not "powers that state that the PC actually moves". As an example, Footwork Lure: If this read: then the PC would be required to shift. Footwork Lure allows the PC to shift which is a choice. It also does Forced movement on the target, so that is a choice as well. But just because this power works this way does not mean that the Thieve's tricks work that way. [/QUOTE]

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