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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5630527" data-attributes="member: 92305">That's why I picked that skill to use in the example--so I wouldn't have to defend it. If I'd used, say, Disable Device, and described how the thief needs to figure out how to disable the trap before he can attempt to disable it, people would just argue that the thief could just throw on his skill without knowing squat about the trap. I had to find a skill with logic behind its use, written in the game, so that people would accept it in backing up my argument. The problem is, the only reason I think that some use cover and concealment with the Hide skill is because it actually says to use it in the book. If it didn't, I guarrantee you there would be many "new schoolers" shouting, "It doesn't matter if he has anything to hide behind. He's got the skill, so he can do it if he makes the roll!" Apply the same logic to the rest of the skills when they're used. The First Aid check is no different from the Hide or for the Disable Device check. The use of the skill must make sense in order to use it. A character can'd just do it because he has the skill (as many of you seem to believe).       Not really. Because without that last blow, the character is fine--only minimally hurt.      I experienced something similar in 1997. Was on a Jet Ski. Idiot friend behind me, following too close. I hit a wave and let off on the accelerator. Friend didn't, and used me for a ramp. Cracked my back in three places. Bed bound for a month. There was a scare that I'd never walk again. Took me three months to really get my pace back and six months before I could run again. But....with all that damage, I actually crawled out of the lake and was walking around when the ambulance arrived. They had to convince me to go to the hospital because I thought I only had a bruise.      You keep calling it a "Heal Check". There are many uses of the Heal skill.  I'm talking of the First Aid roll, the DC 15 Heal skill check that characters use to make stable downed characters that are in the negative hit point range. If that's the same check you're referring to, then, nope, it does ot include a diagnosis. The description of that use of the skill does not say anything about diagnosis. Can you give me a page number where the First Aid check is described as allowing the character to make a diagnosis?      But, I haven't house ruled it. I'm playing it RAW. The First Aid check is used to make stable characters that have fallen victim to negative hit points, yes? That's what I'm using the First Aid check for--exactly as written. And, the First Aid roll is a standard action. I haven't changed that, either.        Please state which rule you think I'm importing.</blockquote>

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