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Message: <blockquote data-quote="seasong" data-source="post: 1184042" data-attributes="member: 5137">Rnd 1: bonus 10 ptsRnd 2: kill Marius 30 pts, bad odds (3) 15 ptsRnd 3: diddled -13 ptsRnd 4: kill Mortem 30 ptsRnd 5: diddled -3 ptsRnd 6: diddled -3 ptsRnd 7: kill Unth (PC v Coh) 10 pts, kill Mang (Coh v Coh) 6 pts82 points. <-- this is correctLooks like I forgot your bad odds in Rnd 2 AND I can't add <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I'm thinking the first post of this thread, and any further threads hereafter.Generally, bringing about some effect or action which you hope will damage an opponent is not diddling. Master's elephant and lion both did not count as diddling, for example, although attacks they make after the first round they were brought in would not count for Master.Healing, whether it's healing yourself or a comrade, if not accompanied by beatdown, is diddling.As a general rule, however, I have to go with common sense (MY common sense), because detailing it down to every possible action in D&D, or even just every grey-ish action in D&D, would be impossible. Generally, if Hethas thinks you're diddling, you're diddling.With that said, I am always open to counterarguments for a particular action, and I try to be as fair and even-handed as possible.On one level, I agree with you. Just any old summoned lantern archon or similar shouldn't be worth 10 points. However, DMwav's horde was a much harder kill than you are painting - just because Xiao Fung made it look easy (by dint of a cunning spell to keep ALL of DMwav's cohorts away from him, animals and non-animals, and 4-9 area attacks PER ROUND) does not mean it was easy. For that matter, he still didn't manage to kill a huge chunk of the horde, and look at all the spells he spent just getting that far.If those kills were so easy... well, there's a bunch of animals still milling around! Go mop them up! Mr and Mrs Stampy, in particular, would probably be delighted to go a few rounds with you. And just think, Xiao Fung softened them up for you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.Something I considered, but ultimately did not use, was a HD/ECL system for kills. That way, if someone summoned up a 2 HD summon monster II critter of some sort, killing it would be worth a fraction of 10 points (probably around 2 points, actually).With that in mind, however, count up the polar bears Xiao Fung killed. Each of those was a 16 HD critter when he killed 'em.</blockquote>

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