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Heward's Handy Haversack = Quickdraw?
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<blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 27563" data-attributes="member: 1560"><p><strong>Re: Re: Our house rule on the subject...</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if I place a shortsword in a quiver, should I be allowed to draw it as a free action? That seems to be your implication. The fact that it's a quiver does not mean drawing from it is a free action. It is that the item you are drawing is an arrow and <em>that</em> is what is free. This was done to allow high level characters to fire multiple shots. Otherwise, you are restricted by the need to draw each arrow. I agree with others here, the Haversack moves the item to the top, not put it in your hand in a flash, ready to use. I feel it was a mistake for them to change it in the errata. But they had to do something to distinguish it from other storage containers because of it's special ability to gfive you the item you need.</p><p></p><p>Having the Haversack let you draw everything as a free action is effectively giving the owner <em>quickdraw</em> for free with everything. We don't agree with that.</p><p></p><p>For game balance, and I fell the need to re-itterate, our <strong>house rule</strong> was to do as I said previously. This is our house rule. You don't have to playu that way. It's what works for us. If you want to let everyone with a Haversack get <em>quickdraw</em> for free, go for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And we don't play it that way. As I said before, the bag of holding is a big extradimensional storage space. You can stuff all kinds of stuff in there, but you have to find it to get it back out. So we rulled that it is a Full Round Action to retrieve stuff. By ruling this way, we were able to reset the Haversack back to a MEA and that signifies the Haversack's special power of finding the item for you. Otherwise, what is the point of the special ability if it is the same as a bag of holding?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I contend that the free <em>quickdraw</em> is too valuable for the cost of the Haversack. It becomes as necessary as Boots of Standard Equipment (Striding & Springing). Who wopuldn't want a Haversack for all their stuff? Free drawing potions, wand, swords, scrolls, whatever you need, and still be able to move <strong>and</strong> use the item in the same round! So much for the need to ever take the <em>quickdraw</em> feat.</p><p></p><p>But, hey, like I said, this is just how <strong>we</strong> do it in our game. To each his/her/its own.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Corwin, post: 27563, member: 1560"] [b]Re: Re: Our house rule on the subject...[/b] So if I place a shortsword in a quiver, should I be allowed to draw it as a free action? That seems to be your implication. The fact that it's a quiver does not mean drawing from it is a free action. It is that the item you are drawing is an arrow and [i]that[/i] is what is free. This was done to allow high level characters to fire multiple shots. Otherwise, you are restricted by the need to draw each arrow. I agree with others here, the Haversack moves the item to the top, not put it in your hand in a flash, ready to use. I feel it was a mistake for them to change it in the errata. But they had to do something to distinguish it from other storage containers because of it's special ability to gfive you the item you need. Having the Haversack let you draw everything as a free action is effectively giving the owner [i]quickdraw[/i] for free with everything. We don't agree with that. For game balance, and I fell the need to re-itterate, our [b]house rule[/b] was to do as I said previously. This is our house rule. You don't have to playu that way. It's what works for us. If you want to let everyone with a Haversack get [i]quickdraw[/i] for free, go for it. And we don't play it that way. As I said before, the bag of holding is a big extradimensional storage space. You can stuff all kinds of stuff in there, but you have to find it to get it back out. So we rulled that it is a Full Round Action to retrieve stuff. By ruling this way, we were able to reset the Haversack back to a MEA and that signifies the Haversack's special power of finding the item for you. Otherwise, what is the point of the special ability if it is the same as a bag of holding? And I contend that the free [i]quickdraw[/i] is too valuable for the cost of the Haversack. It becomes as necessary as Boots of Standard Equipment (Striding & Springing). Who wopuldn't want a Haversack for all their stuff? Free drawing potions, wand, swords, scrolls, whatever you need, and still be able to move [b]and[/b] use the item in the same round! So much for the need to ever take the [i]quickdraw[/i] feat. But, hey, like I said, this is just how [b]we[/b] do it in our game. To each his/her/its own. [/QUOTE]
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