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<blockquote data-quote="jmartkdr2" data-source="post: 7982724" data-attributes="member: 7017304"><p>I think you can't fix this via rules, because the problem isn't a problem with the rules. As of yet, no one has argued that the exploit is "too powerful" or "broken" or anything like that: they find it munchkiny.</p><p></p><p>And munchkinry isn't about the rules, really: munchkinry is about trying to dominate the table and one-up other players, rather than working cooperatively with the group. The munchkin tries to do this via rules exploits, but that isn't the rules' fault (anymore than a diva player makes roleplaying bad) The exploit very much is something a munchkin would do, but it doesn't prove that someone's a munchkin anymore than using a rapier as a ex-fighter proves you're a powergamer - you could just be a big Errol Flynn fan. Maybe your warlock thinks the patron likes it when you kill chickens because they're a bug-fiend. </p><p></p><p>So you're left looking into the player's motivation for hexing the chicken, which cannot be gleaned form reading spell descriptions or debating the meaning of 'creature' as a game term. </p><p></p><p>The bag of rats isn't bad in and of itself - it's a red flag for a certain type of gamer that we generally don't want in a game of DnD.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmartkdr2, post: 7982724, member: 7017304"] I think you can't fix this via rules, because the problem isn't a problem with the rules. As of yet, no one has argued that the exploit is "too powerful" or "broken" or anything like that: they find it munchkiny. And munchkinry isn't about the rules, really: munchkinry is about trying to dominate the table and one-up other players, rather than working cooperatively with the group. The munchkin tries to do this via rules exploits, but that isn't the rules' fault (anymore than a diva player makes roleplaying bad) The exploit very much is something a munchkin would do, but it doesn't prove that someone's a munchkin anymore than using a rapier as a ex-fighter proves you're a powergamer - you could just be a big Errol Flynn fan. Maybe your warlock thinks the patron likes it when you kill chickens because they're a bug-fiend. So you're left looking into the player's motivation for hexing the chicken, which cannot be gleaned form reading spell descriptions or debating the meaning of 'creature' as a game term. The bag of rats isn't bad in and of itself - it's a red flag for a certain type of gamer that we generally don't want in a game of DnD. [/QUOTE]
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