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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 2621099" data-attributes="member: 35788">Regarding the armor issue...I concur.  I do believe that according to those who wrote the rules, it does count.  However, Inever liked that ruling.  That is essentially reducing the whole question down to a weight issue.  It's like saying that just because something is lighter I am proficient with it.Never made sense to me.  If you aren't proficient with platemail, it isn't that the bugger is too heavy, its that you don't know how to do all the straps, buckles, etc.  Sure, you could probably put it on so it looks right, but come time for actual battle and most likely you'd be screwed.  So I usually houserule that you must be proficient with the regular weight armor to take advantage of mithril stuff.Either way, I don't think it is horribly game-breaking.  Although IMHO it is more game breaking to allow the mithril platemail to a character who is not proficient with heavy armor than to not allow it.  Classes not designed to be able to get that +8 armor bonus typically have other parts built into their class (like evasion or uncanny dodge ... etc) to enable them other means of protecting themself.</blockquote>