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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7985158" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>I'm not telling you you CAN'T post here. I'm saying if you do come here and start swinging, people are going to hit back. </p><p>Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.</p><p></p><p>C'mon man, what did you really expect? </p><p>This is a D&D fan site that is literally full of D&D fans. Attacking the people who make D&D—a thing everyone here loves—is going to provoke a negative reaction. Because people are defensive of things they love. </p><p></p><p>I've been playing D&D for twenty-seven years. Since a time well before voice broke and I even pretended to shave. I met my best friends playing D&D. Some of my favourite memories are playing D&D. It is huge important part of my life? </p><p>Why would I <em><strong>not </strong></em>instinctively defend it like a mama bear? </p><p></p><p>But, seriously, let's go back to your original post:</p><p></p><p>Okay, you're basically making a call to action against WotC for "anti-consumer practice" because they're charging for a physical copy AND a virtual copy. </p><p>And we called you out on that argument's errors:</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1) </strong>Most other RPG company's <em>don't</em> give free virtual copies. And those that do only do when purchased from their online store.</p><p><strong>2) </strong>Non-RPG books—by both small and large publishers—also don't give out free ebooks with purchase of a physical copy</p><p><strong>3) </strong>DnDBeyond isn't an ebook but an ebook and a character builder run by a different company whose employees deserve to be paid</p><p><strong>4)</strong> Since DnDBeyond launched three years after 5e there'd be no way to give out ebooks to people who had already purchased between those dates</p><p><strong>5)</strong> If they changed their policy now, there'd be no way to give out ebooks to the people who purchased in the intervening six years or refund people who already purchased twice</p><p><strong>6) </strong>Most of us DO happily buy the book two or even three times, and might have copies purchased just for a fancy cover</p><p></p><p>It's not anti-consumer to us because many of us ASKED for a digital character builder, and are happy with the options provided by DndBeyond (purchase vs subscription, microtransaction vs complete book, DM sharing content)</p><p></p><p>And you insisted on continuing to argue. Because your intent here doesn't appear to be discussing if we should have PDFs or not, or how that could be done. It's to attack WotC as an anti-consumer institution. And when your argument against DnDBeyond failed to resonate you switched to attacking WotC based on Hasbro's overall ethical/ unethical behaviour (including the mistreatment of workers in factories not owned or operated by Hasbro but by companies hired by Hasbro to do manufacturing).</p><p>And you're continuing this attack in a place full of consumers who are happy with that company and continue to support it. </p><p>We're not the target audience of your rant. </p><p></p><p>You might have more luck on the Paizo boards. Or therpgsite.com. You might be very well received there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7985158, member: 37579"] I'm not telling you you CAN'T post here. I'm saying if you do come here and start swinging, people are going to hit back. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. C'mon man, what did you really expect? This is a D&D fan site that is literally full of D&D fans. Attacking the people who make D&D—a thing everyone here loves—is going to provoke a negative reaction. Because people are defensive of things they love. I've been playing D&D for twenty-seven years. Since a time well before voice broke and I even pretended to shave. I met my best friends playing D&D. Some of my favourite memories are playing D&D. It is huge important part of my life? Why would I [I][B]not [/B][/I]instinctively defend it like a mama bear? But, seriously, let's go back to your original post: Okay, you're basically making a call to action against WotC for "anti-consumer practice" because they're charging for a physical copy AND a virtual copy. And we called you out on that argument's errors: [B] 1) [/B]Most other RPG company's [I]don't[/I] give free virtual copies. And those that do only do when purchased from their online store. [B]2) [/B]Non-RPG books—by both small and large publishers—also don't give out free ebooks with purchase of a physical copy [B]3) [/B]DnDBeyond isn't an ebook but an ebook and a character builder run by a different company whose employees deserve to be paid [B]4)[/B] Since DnDBeyond launched three years after 5e there'd be no way to give out ebooks to people who had already purchased between those dates [B]5)[/B] If they changed their policy now, there'd be no way to give out ebooks to the people who purchased in the intervening six years or refund people who already purchased twice [B]6) [/B]Most of us DO happily buy the book two or even three times, and might have copies purchased just for a fancy cover It's not anti-consumer to us because many of us ASKED for a digital character builder, and are happy with the options provided by DndBeyond (purchase vs subscription, microtransaction vs complete book, DM sharing content) And you insisted on continuing to argue. Because your intent here doesn't appear to be discussing if we should have PDFs or not, or how that could be done. It's to attack WotC as an anti-consumer institution. And when your argument against DnDBeyond failed to resonate you switched to attacking WotC based on Hasbro's overall ethical/ unethical behaviour (including the mistreatment of workers in factories not owned or operated by Hasbro but by companies hired by Hasbro to do manufacturing). And you're continuing this attack in a place full of consumers who are happy with that company and continue to support it. We're not the target audience of your rant. You might have more luck on the Paizo boards. Or therpgsite.com. You might be very well received there. [/QUOTE]
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