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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7985200" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>That's great.</p><p>Does it include Chapters/Indigo? Target? Amazon? </p><p>No? Then it doesn't really work for a surprisingly large percentage of the audience that doesn't live near a game store. </p><p></p><p>How does Bits and Mortar work? Well, when someone buys the book, the retailer contacts B&M. </p><p>Is B&M set-up to respond to hundreds of emails from stores every day just related to D&D? Probably not. Do you really want to trust the clerk of your local big box book store with that task, or have them do it while people behind you wait in line?</p><p></p><p>The scale and availabiliy of D&D's sales is beyond what B&M can handle. It is for small micro-publishers only.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that would have been nice. </p><p></p><p>It would have also have been nice to get a free ebook of the Witcher boxed set I bought. Or the new Dresden Files book I have on pre-order. Given I have that on order from Amazon, a Kindle copy could be automatic.</p><p>Heck, an Audible copy might be nice as well. </p><p></p><p>But I'm not going to pop over to the Roc publishing website and complain that I deserve a free electronic copy of <em>Peace Talks</em> because I pre-ordered. And I don't think it's "anti-consumer" for them not to give me something beyond what I paid for.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's fine. Then don't buy it. </p><p></p><p>At this point you're complaining that you're not being given a free copy of something you don't want anyway.</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't think there's a<em> slight difference</em> in a few hundred or a thousand fans not getting a free PDF versus one or two million?</p><p></p><p></p><p>By "changing their policy" I mean "giving free electronic copies with purchase".</p><p></p><p></p><p>But you didn't ask "<em>should PDFs be made available?</em>" </p><p>You asked "<em>is the consensus that [paying for the physical copy of a release and then again for the virtual copy] is fine and normal and the other publishers are wrong or should we be banging a drum about how this is a anti-consumer practice?</em>"</p><p>And the answer was "<em>yes, it's fine.</em>" And then you proceeded to argue against the consensus...</p><p></p><p>If you're asking "<em>should WotC add PDFs of the 5e core rulebooks to the Dungeon Master's Guild?</em>" I don't think anyone here would say "<em>no</em>." </p><p>PDFs? That would be nice. Sure. Why not? </p><p>But should said PDFs be free with purchase? Probably not, because that creates all kinds of nightmares and logistical problems.</p><p>(And, really, anyone who really wants PDFs probably already has them...)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Or, y'know "<em>if you don't want to spend two days getting continually attacked and have people agree with you try _____</em>"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7985200, member: 37579"] That's great. Does it include Chapters/Indigo? Target? Amazon? No? Then it doesn't really work for a surprisingly large percentage of the audience that doesn't live near a game store. How does Bits and Mortar work? Well, when someone buys the book, the retailer contacts B&M. Is B&M set-up to respond to hundreds of emails from stores every day just related to D&D? Probably not. Do you really want to trust the clerk of your local big box book store with that task, or have them do it while people behind you wait in line? The scale and availabiliy of D&D's sales is beyond what B&M can handle. It is for small micro-publishers only. Yes, that would have been nice. It would have also have been nice to get a free ebook of the Witcher boxed set I bought. Or the new Dresden Files book I have on pre-order. Given I have that on order from Amazon, a Kindle copy could be automatic. Heck, an Audible copy might be nice as well. But I'm not going to pop over to the Roc publishing website and complain that I deserve a free electronic copy of [I]Peace Talks[/I] because I pre-ordered. And I don't think it's "anti-consumer" for them not to give me something beyond what I paid for. That's fine. Then don't buy it. At this point you're complaining that you're not being given a free copy of something you don't want anyway. :rolleyes: You don't think there's a[I] slight difference[/I] in a few hundred or a thousand fans not getting a free PDF versus one or two million? By "changing their policy" I mean "giving free electronic copies with purchase". But you didn't ask "[I]should PDFs be made available?[/I]" You asked "[I]is the consensus that [paying for the physical copy of a release and then again for the virtual copy] is fine and normal and the other publishers are wrong or should we be banging a drum about how this is a anti-consumer practice?[/I]" And the answer was "[I]yes, it's fine.[/I]" And then you proceeded to argue against the consensus... If you're asking "[I]should WotC add PDFs of the 5e core rulebooks to the Dungeon Master's Guild?[/I]" I don't think anyone here would say "[I]no[/I]." PDFs? That would be nice. Sure. Why not? But should said PDFs be free with purchase? Probably not, because that creates all kinds of nightmares and logistical problems. (And, really, anyone who really wants PDFs probably already has them...) Or, y'know "[I]if you don't want to spend two days getting continually attacked and have people agree with you try _____[/I]" [/QUOTE]
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