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Hey Morrus, when do we get The Elements of Magic?
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<blockquote data-quote="Asathas" data-source="post: 494165" data-attributes="member: 2229"><p>I understand your points but there's still a few problems...</p><p></p><p>Compel [Creature] does work for turning undead but makes it incompatible with the host of domain abilities, feats, prestige class abilities and so on that either broaden turning or use turning attempts to fuel some other ability. Compel's great and more flexible than just straight turning but I like having the ability to utilize other 3rd party material as well. Personally, I'll add turning to the list of Major Boons with the requirement of selecting a creature type to turn/rebuke.</p><p></p><p>As for Clerics in general... if it takes multi-classing, specific feats, and so on to replicate the cleric, then it doesn't really hit the target. All it would have taken is inclusion of an additional Mage subtype similar to the Green Mage which is an awesome druid replacement (although adding another boon similar to the animagus which either expands animagus or acts as a higher powered version to enact the wild shape ability would have been nice for futher compatability with other D20 supplements).</p><p></p><p>Bardic Music... yep, spellsong is cool and I love the flavor of it and I'll be using it for bardic magic. However, bardic music has a host of 3rd party and even WOTC add-on rules such as the instruments in Song and Silence, the additional abilities in Enchiridion of Mystic Music, and additional material in Book of Eldritch Magic II. I'll be adding it back in as a Moderate Boon most likely.</p><p></p><p>I guess what it comes down to is I think EoM is an great supplement that could have been awesome and absolutely a must-have for every gamer if it had maintained a bit more compatability with other D20 products. A guide (with examples) to importing existing spells into a spell list framework would have been awesome. Consider that people who buy a product that replaces the entire magic system probably buy other D20 supplements and would like them to be easily compatible with what they already have. Of course you can only do so much when you're replacing such a major system as how magic works but knocking off other systems such as domains, turning, and bardic music limits options rather than expanding them.</p><p></p><p>I'll shut up now because I think I'm beginning to ramble but please do keep us appraised of possible sequel products or web enhancements because I really do like what you guys built. And do keep in mind that it's just me an my opinion which may or may not match that of others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asathas, post: 494165, member: 2229"] I understand your points but there's still a few problems... Compel [Creature] does work for turning undead but makes it incompatible with the host of domain abilities, feats, prestige class abilities and so on that either broaden turning or use turning attempts to fuel some other ability. Compel's great and more flexible than just straight turning but I like having the ability to utilize other 3rd party material as well. Personally, I'll add turning to the list of Major Boons with the requirement of selecting a creature type to turn/rebuke. As for Clerics in general... if it takes multi-classing, specific feats, and so on to replicate the cleric, then it doesn't really hit the target. All it would have taken is inclusion of an additional Mage subtype similar to the Green Mage which is an awesome druid replacement (although adding another boon similar to the animagus which either expands animagus or acts as a higher powered version to enact the wild shape ability would have been nice for futher compatability with other D20 supplements). Bardic Music... yep, spellsong is cool and I love the flavor of it and I'll be using it for bardic magic. However, bardic music has a host of 3rd party and even WOTC add-on rules such as the instruments in Song and Silence, the additional abilities in Enchiridion of Mystic Music, and additional material in Book of Eldritch Magic II. I'll be adding it back in as a Moderate Boon most likely. I guess what it comes down to is I think EoM is an great supplement that could have been awesome and absolutely a must-have for every gamer if it had maintained a bit more compatability with other D20 products. A guide (with examples) to importing existing spells into a spell list framework would have been awesome. Consider that people who buy a product that replaces the entire magic system probably buy other D20 supplements and would like them to be easily compatible with what they already have. Of course you can only do so much when you're replacing such a major system as how magic works but knocking off other systems such as domains, turning, and bardic music limits options rather than expanding them. I'll shut up now because I think I'm beginning to ramble but please do keep us appraised of possible sequel products or web enhancements because I really do like what you guys built. And do keep in mind that it's just me an my opinion which may or may not match that of others. [/QUOTE]
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