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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sinmissing" data-source="post: 1802809" data-attributes="member: 1960">Yes I was referencing d20, since GT is derivitive of d20, matters that haven't change in GT have their roots in its parent, no?I could make your very same argument for a Strong character with a average Intelligence who has sunk many points into heavy equipment operations, and makes a 6 figure income operating an industrial crane while building sky-scrapers downtown.  He has loads of free time, especially during the winter to take all kinds of skills not related to his profession.  He is just as capable as you to work for a fraction of the year, earn a large salary, and devote the rest of his time to non STR hobbies.Furthermore, I would argue that this Strong character within the context of an Archetype driven game would and should be better at any STR related skill, regardless of how many extra skill points you perceive an intelligent person to gain over a Strong Person.I see this idea very frequently, that because one is book smart, and capable of applying reasoning and abstract thought to tasks which require memory and abstract thought, that this somehow makes them more capable at learning anything regardless of the tools required for the job.Memory and abstract thought could compensate for lacking a gift for a particular skill, but we are forced to view the world of d20 in the simplistic terms of 6 attributes, each of which may modify one skill, which can only be modified by one skill.  Let's maintain that view point shall we?Why does STR make you a better climber?  Is it because you need a certain physical prowess to lift yourself and continue this effort through long climbs?  Is it also because someone who has a very toned body has a greater hand-eye coordination than someone who spends the majority of their time in a server room reading event logs?Finally, if the archetypes are to stand true, that the Strong Hero is strong, the Fast Hero is Fast, and the Smart Hero is Smart, should we not also accept the negative aspects of those same archetypes?  That the Strong Hero has little time or lacks the aptitude for abstract skills, and the Strong Hero is not particularly capable in melee?We see this already, in fact that regardless of your STR or DEX, you cannot get iterative attacks, unless your BAB is at least +6.  Why then, can someone who has not devoted the time and effort to learn things get extra skill points simply for having a high INT?  I think d20 lets you have extra skill points, because it is weighed heavily to Fighters, so that they can have skills in addition to a good BAB.  If INT didn't modified skill points, Archetypes would be just that, archetypical.</blockquote>

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