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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sinmissing" data-source="post: 1803626" data-attributes="member: 1960">Each Archetype gets X number of skill points balanced against how quickly they advance in the other 4 character elements, yet bonus Skill Points can accumulate each level because of a high INT, and not just because the character is Smart.The 6 classes are archetypes.  If they are not archtypes, then what are they?Never have I insisted that you use an example of Weak Smart, Strong Dumb.  Use whatever combination of Strong or Smart you wish.  I am simply stating that your Intelligence is being applied to learning your class features.The Strong Hero with a high Intelligence is applying his intellect, better than any other archetype, toward improving his martial skills, leaving him little time for other pursuits.   This effort of this is shown by an increase in bab, defense, and hitpoints (mostly BAB), and a reduction in both Skill Points and total Class Skills.The Smart Hero, with a high Strength has devoted himself to gaining a broad range of knowledge, which apparently leaves him little time for learning combat skills.  This is represented in the archetype by lots of Skill points, a low BAB, fewer hit points, and a poor defense.  His Strength grants him a raw talent for melee, should he choose to enter it.Within both classes are a few abilities which allow a character to play against or with type, depending on how you choose to interpret their source.  Smart Heroes have the exploit weakness, Strong Heroes have Break Anything, which can be interpretted as using your intellect for identifying weaknesses in structures.  Additionally there are feats which allow you to apply different attributes to tasks instead of using defaults.But I'm not seeing why your argument works in only one direction.  Actually, I understand your argument perfectly fine, I just don't agree with it, so please, stop repeating yourself.  Having a high INT gets you extra skill points, but this very same exceptional INT cannot grant you an accelerated BAB.  The Strong Hero gets what the Smart Hero works diligently for, but not the other way around.  If the Smart Hero wants to use his "smarts" in combat he has to spend talents and feats, the Strong Hero just gets free skill points every level.For the record, I prefer to think that we are arguing tangentally and not against each other.  For some reason, you have taken a liking to believing I have some emotional investment in my ideas.  Since you do not know me, I'll just let you in on something.  I am emotional.  I do everything with gusto and approach every idea with a fierce determination to prove or disprove it.  I am not heart broken that you disagree with me.  Even with your silly jabs and petty humor, I see some of your ideas to have substance.  I do not, as you have projected, put emotional investment into perceived facts and am quite happy when I can relieve myself of a misconception.It's possible we've really crushed everyone's enthusiasm by now.  You want to take this off list?</blockquote>

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