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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4820364" data-attributes="member: 11821">errrmmm...&nbsp; I have read the 4e rulebooks.&nbsp; I've also read the 3e rulebooks.&nbsp; I've also read the 1e and 2e rulebooks.&nbsp; Fundamentally, 3e and 4e are pretty close to the same, and really, like I said, all it is, is a set of guidelines saying, &quot;At this level, the game assumes this.&quot;I mean, really, this was Complaint Numero Uno of Oldschool vs. 3e back in the day, and it seems to have come back for 4e.&nbsp; I think everyone who's run 3e knows that it's not a strict rule that the DM must follow.&nbsp; I think everyone who's run 4e knows the same for 4e.&nbsp; A DM can freely ignore those guidelines in both 3e and 4e and still run a perfectly good game.Second - regarding entitled players....&nbsp; Honestly, I think a sense of entitlement is alot more about the age and maturity of the players than it is the system.&nbsp; I know that the BX/1e mish-mash I ran in middle school had some very entitled players...&nbsp; Yes, they can latch onto 3e's Wealth by Level and Challenge Ratings and throw tantrums, but if those charts weren't there, they'd throw tantrums with something else.-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4820364, member: 11821"] errrmmm... I have read the 4e rulebooks. I've also read the 3e rulebooks. I've also read the 1e and 2e rulebooks. Fundamentally, 3e and 4e are pretty close to the same, and really, like I said, all it is, is a set of guidelines saying, "At this level, the game assumes [I]this.[/I]" I mean, really, this was Complaint Numero Uno of Oldschool vs. 3e back in the day, and it seems to have come back for 4e. I think everyone who's run 3e knows that it's not a strict rule that the DM must follow. I think everyone who's run 4e knows the same for 4e. A DM can freely ignore those guidelines in both 3e and 4e and still run a perfectly good game. Second - regarding entitled players.... Honestly, I think a sense of entitlement is alot more about the age and maturity of the players than it is the system. I know that the BX/1e mish-mash I ran in middle school had some very entitled players... Yes, they can latch onto 3e's Wealth by Level and Challenge Ratings and throw tantrums, but if those charts weren't there, they'd throw tantrums with something else. -O [/QUOTE]

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