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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4822352" data-attributes="member: 11821">Well, I think it's more like, "Show me that it isn't."Off the top of my head, I see the following influences:* Conan* Vance* Tolkien* Whatshisface with the monks* Sci-fi with psionics, Barrier Peaks, etc.* Lovecraft* Gygaxian weirdness (beholders, mind flayers, drow, brain moles)* Completely gamist Gygaxian inventions because they'd be fun in dungeons (gelatinous cube, trapper, lurker above, etc.)* Completely gamist Gygaxian inventions to trick players and challenge their assumptions (rust monsters, gas spores, etc.)* Weird stuff that's uncategorizable (most of Fiend Folio)If this doesn't make it a genre all its own, I don't know what does <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I think the Gygaxian weirdness in particular is what defines the D&D "genre" more than anything else - and those were primarily invented for game-play purposes more than for any ecological reasons.  (Although I should note that you can play D&D without playing in the Gygaxian genre - for instance, in Dark Sun.)No, I don't think it's completely unsupported.  In fact, I think there is evidence to support what you say, to an extent.  On the other hand, there's also counter-evidence you're ignoring.  In short, I think you're getting tunnel vision because you're very emotionally invested in this classification.Like I said before, I don't know that it brings anything to the table that oldschool vs. new-school doesn't.-O</blockquote>

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