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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6555315" data-attributes="member: 6778044">And that's the important distinction in Mike's tweet. It wasn't that hiding behind the fighter gave disadvantage to the halfling or rogue hiding (or advantage to the observer). The tweet was in response to the specific circumstance of the halfling or rogue repeatedly hiding behind the fighter. You know, fool me once...Here are the relevant responses from Mike:Rogue hidden behind tree. Can he shoot an arrow with advantage, or does stepping out negate it? Re-hide behind same tree after? DM's call - suggest atk with advantage, but disad to hide again. IMO if rogue sees target from hiding while hidden, can attack. -M Could a rogue hidden behind cover run to a target & Sneak Attack; are they hidden until after attacking or after leaving cover? hidden until leave, but Adam might rule creature is distracted -M Rogue Hides behind tree. Ogre can't see him. Leans out, shoots ogre, returns. Advantage on attack? Sneak attack? Same next turn? I would say advantage on attack, disadvantage on check to hide again. -M If a rogue attacks an enemy when emerging from a cover source, does he still gain benefit of stealth in the attack? Only if the rogue is still hidden when making the attack. -M There have been some very long threads on this topic, in which it becomes very clear that not everybody will agree. But I think that the rules as written, taken along with the general spirit of the 5th edition rules makes sense.For example, the statement "if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it usually sees you" is a a good one for this discussion. As is the discussion about whether you are more or less alert in combat (in which I think it depends on the training of the combatant, the type of combat, and other factors).nother statement "you can't hide from a creature that can see you" is also frequently read in its most restrictive, as in "if it's possible for them to see you, you can't hide" as opposed to "you can't hide from a creature that actually sees you." The phrase "can see" could mean either.In one of the threads my initial reaction was that if you tried to repeatedly hide in the same place, or your opponent sees you moving into a hiding place, then you couldn't attempt to hide at all. But Mike's tweet reminded me that it's not about forbidding the action of attempting to hide, but about determining when it becomes much harder or easier than normal.So depending on the circumstances, the DM has to make a call as to whether you get advantage/disadvantage when attempting to hide, and/or whether the opponents have advantage/disadvantage on their Perception check (passive or active).The only other thing to remember is that the Hide/Perceive check covers the actions of the given round. So if your rogue succeeds on hiding, then it can gain the benefit of that stealth for the entire round. But the opponent is also entitled to use an action to search. In that case I'd require a second check to see if the rogue can remain hidden. Whether advantage or disadvantage is involved would depend on the circumstances.Not all DMs will rule the same way, but that's fine. As long as the DM is consistent in applying their method for players and NPCs/Monsters then you're fine. In my campaign if the players don't like the particular interpretation of a rule, I'm happy to discuss it outside of game time with the whole group and change the interpretation for future sessions if we come to a different consensus.Ilbranteloth</blockquote>

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