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<blockquote data-quote="Zinnger" data-source="post: 6561716" data-attributes="member: 6788910">Had a combat that might fit this so I'll ask here for opinions.&nbsp; A wood elf rogue being chased by orcs at night in a lightly wooded area wanted to shoot a bow, move, and hide in the next copse of trees.&nbsp; Each round same trick... shoot w/ advantage and sneak attack damage, move, hide.&nbsp; Several questions arise with this action:1)&nbsp; Are the stealth checks made as active opposed checks and the rogue only hides if his stealth check is higher than the perception check of each orc?2)&nbsp; Are the stealth checks made normal and the rogue is absolutely hidden and the orcs must use their action to search (at disadvantage since it is dark and considered lightly obscured with dark vision) and therefore even if they did spot the rogue be unable to attack since they used their action to search?3)&nbsp; Does the wood elf rogue make a stealth check to hide and the orcs only get to use their passive perception (-5 for disadvantaged light obscured again) to note where the elf is hiding?&nbsp; Orcs passive perception is about an 11 but only 6 after disadvantage is calculated.&nbsp; Rogue has +7 on stealth as it is his expert skill.&nbsp; So... even though the elf may be only 15' away from the orc when he steps into the next hex of brush/trees he is vanished and there is no chance for the orcs to see him without using their action to search on their turn.4)&nbsp; If there is only 1 or 2 squares of trees/brush for the elf to step into and hide does this create disadvantage for the stealth attempt?&nbsp; There are three orcs totally focused on trying to catch and fillet one elf for dinner.&nbsp; Do the orcs get advantage on their perception checks?5)&nbsp; I also have a problem with passive perception in 5e.&nbsp; A first level rogue with expertise in perception and a 12 Wis can simply walk right up to every DC 15 secret door and point it out without fail.&nbsp; Does anyone else have a problem with this?&nbsp; Is there a solution for the all win passive perception?&nbsp; Thanks in advance for any help.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zinnger, post: 6561716, member: 6788910"] Had a combat that might fit this so I'll ask here for opinions. A wood elf rogue being chased by orcs at night in a lightly wooded area wanted to shoot a bow, move, and hide in the next copse of trees. Each round same trick... shoot w/ advantage and sneak attack damage, move, hide. Several questions arise with this action: 1) Are the stealth checks made as active opposed checks and the rogue only hides if his stealth check is higher than the perception check of each orc? 2) Are the stealth checks made normal and the rogue is absolutely hidden and the orcs must use their action to search (at disadvantage since it is dark and considered lightly obscured with dark vision) and therefore even if they did spot the rogue be unable to attack since they used their action to search? 3) Does the wood elf rogue make a stealth check to hide and the orcs only get to use their passive perception (-5 for disadvantaged light obscured again) to note where the elf is hiding? Orcs passive perception is about an 11 but only 6 after disadvantage is calculated. Rogue has +7 on stealth as it is his expert skill. So... even though the elf may be only 15' away from the orc when he steps into the next hex of brush/trees he is vanished and there is no chance for the orcs to see him without using their action to search on their turn. 4) If there is only 1 or 2 squares of trees/brush for the elf to step into and hide does this create disadvantage for the stealth attempt? There are three orcs totally focused on trying to catch and fillet one elf for dinner. Do the orcs get advantage on their perception checks? 5) I also have a problem with passive perception in 5e. A first level rogue with expertise in perception and a 12 Wis can simply walk right up to every DC 15 secret door and point it out without fail. Does anyone else have a problem with this? Is there a solution for the all win passive perception? Thanks in advance for any help. [/QUOTE]

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