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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1587367" data-attributes="member: 224">This bit interests me, as I've found it to be true under RAW.  ....but I'd never thought through this part (bare with me): <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighters have a lousy skill list.  Virtually none of a Ftr's class skills are worthwhile.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Purchasing cc skills is expensive, but....</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If Ftr class skills suck, then Ftrs should pick one cc skill and try to max that one out (given max skill ranks).</li> </ul>So, really, every Ftr should have something useful, like Spot or Tumble, instead of Ride or Climb or some such dreck. RAW: So a typical NPC Ftr 5 should have, what?...a Spot +4?  (IME, Spot is one of the most used skills in the game.)  Let's say a (PC) Rog 5 is trying to Hide and Move Silently past this Ftr.  Assume the Rog 5 has concealment and is passing within 20 ft of the Ftr 5.Ftr 5Spot +2 (8 "half" ranks +0 Wis -2 distance)Listen +0 (2 "half" ranks +0 Wis -2 distance)Rog 5Hide +12 (8 ranks +4 Dex -0 ACP)Mv. Silently +12 (8 ranks +4 Dex -0 ACP)Given that, the Ftr has a 13.75% chance of Spotting the Rog and a 9.00% chance of hearing the Rog.   ...That means he has a 21.5% chance of detecting the Rog, since he can detct him either with a Spot or with a Listen check.So, the difference between using the RAW (Hide & Mv. Silently) vs. Sneak (combined) is 21.5% vs 13.75%.How are my numbers so far?   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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