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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1589675" data-attributes="member: 224">Didn't have to, for the basic anylsis above...I just looked at the difference between the final check numbers.After all, the *big* circumstance penalty - distance - is liable to change things far more than the synergy bonuses.  Minus 1 per ten feet, after all.If we agree that my statistics are good (I'm fairly confident), then we can go into specific scenarios and see if things still look okay.  For instance, we could look at a dedicated Spot-ting ranger vs. a dedicated Sneak-y rogue, same level, DMG wealth guidelines.Given the availability of concealment, should such a Rog be able to sneak up on such a Rgr?Another question (an excellent one!) brought up by Al: Does being able to buy Sneak so cheaply (cross-class; one skill as opposed to 2 skills), along with the "uber-ness" of sneaking, mean that soon everyone will want to have a great Sneak skill?***********************A separate thought:Generally, we all agree that a rogue should be able to sneak past a mook guard.  But concider this: Most areas that a mook guard might be stationed probably don't have concealment within a reasonble distance - say 60 ft?  No concealment = can't use the Hide (or Sneak) skill.IOW: Most rogues won't be able to sneak past mook guards, regardless of relative skills.....without magic, of course.</blockquote>