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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1543455" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>Ok borrowing some quotes from other people to try and tie it all together</p><p></p><p>QUESTIONS:</p><p></p><p>1)"Opposed Checks</p><p>An opposed check is a check whose success or failure is determined by comparing the check result to another character’s check result. In an opposed check, the higher result succeeds, while the lower result fails. In case of a tie, the higher skill modifier wins. If these scores are the same, roll again to break the tie."</p><p>2) Moving through a threat range always provoke an attack of opportunity according to the RAW. However apply common sense here, in a non combat situation if the defender fails both his spot AND listen checks there is no reason to give them an AOO. If you do give the defender an AOO the shadowdancer counts as invisible (-2 to attack rools, 50% miss chance)</p><p>3) Normally you cannt ever hide while observed. HiPS allows you to hide while observed, there is no penalty to do this. </p><p>4+5) Truesight/see invis will not work. Tremorsense, blind sense, 3 rounds of det magic in which the shaodwdancer doesnt move and if the rogue is wearing magic items will work. </p><p>6) You could attack a person and "Attack while hidden", you take a -20 on your hide roll. Alternatively you can attack, move away and hide normally. There is no penalty to this hide roll but you take an attack of opportunity.</p><p>7) You cant move,attack,move unless you are hasted or have spring attack. In this case your hide would be part of the move and not part of the attack. No penalty unless you move more than half your movement when hiding.</p><p>8) HiPS is indeed SU and does not need activating. In effect it lets you hide under circumstances you could not normally hide, i.e while being observed or without anything to hide behind. Other than that is does not give any bonus to hiding.</p><p></p><p>CHEET SHEET</p><p>Hide:</p><p>5. Yes</p><p>6. No</p><p>7. Or you can hide while attacking, and hide at -20 as part of the attack action. This allows you to take a full attack and remain hidden.</p><p></p><p>Bluff and the Hide skill:</p><p>1. A character with HiPS never needs to use bluff, as they can hide while being observed anyway.</p><p></p><p>Sniping at the Hide skill:</p><p>1. HiPS kinda makes sniping irrelevent. But for completeness</p><p>The character may take one shot after which he is considered "Observed" and normally could not hide.</p><p>A Character with HiPS may take a single shot and then hide with his move action at no penalty</p><p>A Character with HiPS may take his full attack and hide while attacking at a -20 penlalty. </p><p>These are options not available to characters without HiPS because you need HiPS to hide while observed.</p><p></p><p>Hide in Plain Sight:</p><p>1. Correct. (As my rogue found out to some cost when he fell in an antimagic zone inside a high wall castle and 10 huge gargoyles attacked him)</p><p>2. Correct.</p><p>The not hiding in your own shadow this is simply to limit the power. Otherwise the shadowdacer could use his power without limit, its very rare YOU dont cast a shadow. </p><p>It also stops rediculous paradoxes like, if Im hiding in my own shadow, do I cast a shadow?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1543455, member: 13916"] Ok borrowing some quotes from other people to try and tie it all together QUESTIONS: 1)"Opposed Checks An opposed check is a check whose success or failure is determined by comparing the check result to another character’s check result. In an opposed check, the higher result succeeds, while the lower result fails. In case of a tie, the higher skill modifier wins. If these scores are the same, roll again to break the tie." 2) Moving through a threat range always provoke an attack of opportunity according to the RAW. However apply common sense here, in a non combat situation if the defender fails both his spot AND listen checks there is no reason to give them an AOO. If you do give the defender an AOO the shadowdancer counts as invisible (-2 to attack rools, 50% miss chance) 3) Normally you cannt ever hide while observed. HiPS allows you to hide while observed, there is no penalty to do this. 4+5) Truesight/see invis will not work. Tremorsense, blind sense, 3 rounds of det magic in which the shaodwdancer doesnt move and if the rogue is wearing magic items will work. 6) You could attack a person and "Attack while hidden", you take a -20 on your hide roll. Alternatively you can attack, move away and hide normally. There is no penalty to this hide roll but you take an attack of opportunity. 7) You cant move,attack,move unless you are hasted or have spring attack. In this case your hide would be part of the move and not part of the attack. No penalty unless you move more than half your movement when hiding. 8) HiPS is indeed SU and does not need activating. In effect it lets you hide under circumstances you could not normally hide, i.e while being observed or without anything to hide behind. Other than that is does not give any bonus to hiding. CHEET SHEET Hide: 5. Yes 6. No 7. Or you can hide while attacking, and hide at -20 as part of the attack action. This allows you to take a full attack and remain hidden. Bluff and the Hide skill: 1. A character with HiPS never needs to use bluff, as they can hide while being observed anyway. Sniping at the Hide skill: 1. HiPS kinda makes sniping irrelevent. But for completeness The character may take one shot after which he is considered "Observed" and normally could not hide. A Character with HiPS may take a single shot and then hide with his move action at no penalty A Character with HiPS may take his full attack and hide while attacking at a -20 penlalty. These are options not available to characters without HiPS because you need HiPS to hide while observed. Hide in Plain Sight: 1. Correct. (As my rogue found out to some cost when he fell in an antimagic zone inside a high wall castle and 10 huge gargoyles attacked him) 2. Correct. The not hiding in your own shadow this is simply to limit the power. Otherwise the shadowdacer could use his power without limit, its very rare YOU dont cast a shadow. It also stops rediculous paradoxes like, if Im hiding in my own shadow, do I cast a shadow? [/QUOTE]
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