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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 739498" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>First of all, notice that getting a COVER and HIDING are two separate and very different thing.</p><p>Behind a cover, he gets benefit to AC and ST, and that's it by the rules, which means he can shoot from behind the cover (unless of course it's total cover) without problems. Let's assume for simplicity he's not trying to get advantage from crouching or dropping to the floor every time, ok? That kind of trick could "increase" the degree of cover but has nothing to do with Hide.</p><p>Hide has the purpose exactly to hide from view, behind something which will eventually provide a cover, so that it is difficult to know where you are. Once you make yourself visible, for example shooting, they know where you are, even if you are behind the cover.</p><p></p><p>What your PC is trying to do, as it seems to me, is using Hide to get the advantage of being invisible, therefore the Sneak Attack, which is not true. At the very most, if he had been hiding before the combat started, he might have surprised the target when he did the first shoot (i.e. get to shoot in the surprise round), but I don't think it would be by itself enough to grant a Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p>Notice this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is no real point in hiding after every shoot behind the same cover, because it's not this the point of the hide skill, which is rather to reach a place unnoticed so that the enemies don't know where you have gone. In your case they still know where you are, you are not invisible at all, and all you get is your cover bonus.</p><p></p><p>Another matter again is when you are in poor illumination: the rules are very vague an undefined, and it seems that 3.5e will address the case in good details, but before that they don't help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 739498, member: 1465"] First of all, notice that getting a COVER and HIDING are two separate and very different thing. Behind a cover, he gets benefit to AC and ST, and that's it by the rules, which means he can shoot from behind the cover (unless of course it's total cover) without problems. Let's assume for simplicity he's not trying to get advantage from crouching or dropping to the floor every time, ok? That kind of trick could "increase" the degree of cover but has nothing to do with Hide. Hide has the purpose exactly to hide from view, behind something which will eventually provide a cover, so that it is difficult to know where you are. Once you make yourself visible, for example shooting, they know where you are, even if you are behind the cover. What your PC is trying to do, as it seems to me, is using Hide to get the advantage of being invisible, therefore the Sneak Attack, which is not true. At the very most, if he had been hiding before the combat started, he might have surprised the target when he did the first shoot (i.e. get to shoot in the surprise round), but I don't think it would be by itself enough to grant a Sneak Attack. Notice this: There is no real point in hiding after every shoot behind the same cover, because it's not this the point of the hide skill, which is rather to reach a place unnoticed so that the enemies don't know where you have gone. In your case they still know where you are, you are not invisible at all, and all you get is your cover bonus. Another matter again is when you are in poor illumination: the rules are very vague an undefined, and it seems that 3.5e will address the case in good details, but before that they don't help. [/QUOTE]
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