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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6187264" data-attributes="member: 42582">No worries. As to designer intent on those abilities, I've seen all sorts of arguments and have no idea how they're meant to be played. (I don't play 3E myself.)I've cut and pasted the text for reference:Hide in Plain Sight (SRD Assassin, Shadowdancer): can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as he is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, can hide himself from view in the open without having anything to actually hide behind. Cannot, however, hide in his own shadow. Camouflage (SRD Ranger): can use the Hide skill in any sort of natural terrain, even if the terrain doesn’t grant cover or concealment. Hide in Plain Sight (SRD Ranger): can use the Hide skill even while being observed.It seems to me that Camouflage permits a hide check without cover or concealment but otherwise as normal. I would have thought that being observed still matters. HiPS for a ranger then looks like a (limited) upgrade - you can make the check even if you are being observed, but outside natural terrain you will still need cover or concealment. So a ranger with Camouflage who is walking along a sea-cliff can hide in the morning mist if no one is looking; and with HiPS can hide in the mist even if someone is looking. A ranger inside a castle cannot benefit from Camouflage, but can still hide by ducking behind a pillar or tapestry if no one is looking; and a ranger with HiPS can hide behind a pillar or tapestry even if someone is looking.The assassin/shadowdancer ability seems to grant ranger HiPS, and also the equivalent of Camouflage but with shadow (other than the character's own shadow) taking the place of natural terrain.</blockquote>

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