Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 921686" data-attributes="member: 4910">LokiDR~&nbsp;True, my bad - I should have been more speciffic.&nbsp; Yeah, scent lets you detect presence within range (usually 30'), but you have to be within 5' to pinpoint.&nbsp;Also very true, but it would send feedback to the bat that would just seem wrong.&nbsp; Visially it would be like there's just a bubble where there isn't anything.&nbsp; The floor would just stop suddenly and you can't see anything past a certain point, unlike if there was a wall there (which would say hey, there's a wall) or open air (because you'd be able to sense things further along).&nbsp; Being able to interpret those as something wrong is really a function of intelligence.&nbsp; I agree that it wouldn't pinpoint a hidden creature in the silence at all, but it would tell you that something is not right.As for the Tremorsense thing - whoa, I had totally missed that 'shortest indirect route' note in the ability description.&nbsp; The 'actions are considdered movement' bit is a bit too open-ended for my taste.&nbsp; Casting a spell with somatic components is considdered movement, taking any physical action is considdered movement.&nbsp; How fine does the scale go?&nbsp; Shifting your weight?&nbsp; Readying a move?&nbsp; Kinda wish that was clairified more.Ridley's Cohort~True Seeing and Blindsight are not concurrent.&nbsp; True Seeing trumps pretty much any magical deception, but states it doesn't affect mundane hiding or mundane disguises.&nbsp; Blindsight on the other hand lists no exceptions for what you can and cannot sense within your blindsight range as long as they fit the sensing criteria.&nbsp; If it's echolocation and you're not in a field of silence or behind a sufficiently thick object (as echolocation/ultrasound can penetrate a good ammount of materials and thickness) the hider can be seen.&nbsp; Likewise with scent and odur, vibration and movement (again the scale problem.. how fine a vibration do you need to make?), hearing and noise, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; Saying Blindsight doesn't see hiding because True Seeing doesn't is like saying diet coke has less sugar in it because dogs like bacon.&nbsp; ^_^</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sejs, post: 921686, member: 4910"] LokiDR~ True, my bad - I should have been more speciffic. Yeah, scent lets you detect presence within range (usually 30'), but you have to be within 5' to pinpoint. Also very true, but it would send feedback to the bat that would just seem wrong. Visially it would be like there's just a bubble where there isn't anything. The floor would just stop suddenly and you can't see anything past a certain point, unlike if there was a wall there (which would say hey, there's a wall) or open air (because you'd be able to sense things further along). Being able to interpret those as something wrong is really a function of intelligence. I agree that it wouldn't pinpoint a hidden creature in the silence at all, but it would tell you that something is not right. As for the Tremorsense thing - whoa, I had totally missed that 'shortest indirect route' note in the ability description. The 'actions are considdered movement' bit is a bit too open-ended for my taste. Casting a spell with somatic components is considdered movement, taking any physical action is considdered movement. How fine does the scale go? Shifting your weight? Readying a move? Kinda wish that was clairified more. Ridley's Cohort~ True Seeing and Blindsight are not concurrent. True Seeing trumps pretty much any magical deception, but states it doesn't affect mundane hiding or mundane disguises. Blindsight on the other hand lists no exceptions for what you can and cannot sense within your blindsight range as long as they fit the sensing criteria. If it's echolocation and you're not in a field of silence or behind a sufficiently thick object (as echolocation/ultrasound can penetrate a good ammount of materials and thickness) the hider can be seen. Likewise with scent and odur, vibration and movement (again the scale problem.. how fine a vibration do you need to make?), hearing and noise, etc. Saying Blindsight doesn't see hiding because True Seeing doesn't is like saying diet coke has less sugar in it because dogs like bacon. ^_^ [/QUOTE]

Verification